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Rmgrenley
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Posted Sun Mar 24, 2013, 9:17am
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We have a Delonghi Gran Dama super-automatic espresso machine. It of course grinds the beans itself.  We keep regular caf. beans in the hopper, but when someone wants decaf at night, we add ground coffee to the machine. Thus we need a grinder. Up until now have used a cheap blade grinder, but would like to move up to a better and more consistent burr grinder, either for the decaf beans or to be able to easily switch between the beans in the machine and other coffee beans.

OK, so...as a novice, I need some advice as to what electric grinder would work well with my super-automatic espresso machine. I would like to keep the price under $250 if possible unless there is a compelling reason to go higher. I would like the machine to be solid and reliable, last for some years, not require tweaking and replacing parts, be easy to clean, not have a problem with static (does it need a glass colection container?) and grounds flying all over the place, give a consistent grind, etc.
Please help!
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Posted Sun Mar 24, 2013, 3:27pm
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You want a 38 mm conical grinder. If you just want it for espresso go with lelit pl53, vaneli mini pro or something like it.

If you are truely using it just once in a while for decaf and need something for drip get a virtuoso from Baratza. That way you can more use out of your purchase and you shouldn't have any of the problems related to the Preciso since the virtuoso uses a more robust yet less adjustable ring.

 
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013, 3:48am
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The virtuoso is probably a better grinder than what is built in so it should do fine.
Not to mention that it is a good multi use but not for espresso only grinder.

 
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Rmgrenley
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013, 7:33am
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What about the Baratza Encore at a lower price point? Then we could buy 2...one for home (where we have the Gran Dama) and one for our beach house (where we have the Delonghi Magnifica S superautomatic).

  1. What do we give up when we move from the Virtuoso down to the Encore?

  2. Do both of these units avoid the "messiness" issue of grounds all over the counter and the static issue?

Thank you!!
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Posted Tue Mar 26, 2013, 11:30am
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The Virtuoso is considered to be the lowest grinder in the Baratza line of products that is OK for espresso and most here would consider it to be marginal at best.
The grinder is the thing that makes espresso. The machine basically heats the water and pushes it through the properly ground and prepared coffee at pressure.
What do you give up? Quality espresso

Only you can decide how important quality is to you and what you are willing to pay for it. Most of the members here who have been around for a while and are serious about their espresso have at LEAST one grinder that retails for $1K and up, most have multiples.

With a good grinder, you can get acceptable espresso from a marginal at best espresso machine but even a $2000 machine will only make dreck with a bad grinder.

Your choice, YMMV!

 
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Posted Tue Mar 26, 2013, 11:38am
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OK, since the Virtuoso is OK but marginal, are there other machines in that price range to consider?
And is the Breville Smart grinder not good for espresso??
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Posted Tue Mar 26, 2013, 8:53pm
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Rmgrenley Said:

What about the Baratza Encore at a lower price point? Then we could buy 2...one for home (where we have the Gran Dama) and one for our beach house (where we have the Delonghi Magnifica S superautomatic).

What do we give up when we move from the Virtuoso down to the Encore?

Do both of these units avoid the "messiness" issue of grounds all over the counter and the static issue?

Thank you!!

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Neither are messy, in fact the opposite.
SA's (IMO) don'r justify paying larger sums of money for a grinder, as the results are limited, if predictable. That said, I believe the Encore, especially if you can get refurbs, would be enough. You can even ask them to set the internal calibration (if the model has one0 to the finer side.
It replaced the Maestro +, In believe, but has a better chance to do credible espresso, especially in an SA.

 
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