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marsel
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Posted Sat Sep 14, 2013, 6:36am
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Moved to US from Croatia. I have been espresso fan back in Croatia for years and than after 15 years here in US I got tired of instant coffee. So I recently purchased Gaggia Classic. Made a few shots, (used Bustelo grounded coffee). Shots are too fast, about 15 seconds, although somewhat creamy. I did research and i know good grinder is must as well as selection of coffee. My dilemma is this, due $ restraints at least for know i have to settle for grinder bellow $200 if possible (even hand one is option) or go with pre-grounded espresso coffee. Recommendations would be appreciated with regard to grinder choice (within my price range) and coffee beans selection or pre-ground coffee selection.
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Posted Sat Sep 14, 2013, 6:48am
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Trying to stay within your budget will be VERY difficult, unless you opt to purchase a used grinder . . . and even then, won't be easy.  From a "new" standpoint, I want to recommend a Le'Lit PL53, but at $269, it's a bit over your budget.  The Gaggia MDF is not as good, but it is on sale for $229 (down from $299) as I write this.  

Hope that helps . . .

 
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Posted Sat Sep 14, 2013, 6:38pm
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The Hario Skerton hand grinder can work for espresso.

If you allow yourself to go used, a Rocky might be good given your budget.

Other choices:
Baratza Encore, Baratza Virtuoso, Baratza Virtuoso Preciso.  But again this is getting up there.  The encore just barely works for espresso use.
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Posted Sat Sep 14, 2013, 9:12pm
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As Jason and Mike have both pointed out a new powered grinder in your price range is basically going to put you into a used grinder, a new but not really able to grind for espresso unit or a hand powered grinder. If using a PPF, a lower end powered grinderthat otherwise is mmarginally able to work for espresso will work.

It know it does not seem right but the grinder is more important than the machine, esp the in the lower priced starter equipment.

 
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Posted Mon Sep 16, 2013, 6:20am
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I got a Gaggia MDF from amazon for $150 new about a year ago. Just put it in your wishlist and watch it for awhile if you're not in a hurry as the price fluxuates a lot. Other than that, I say check baratza's website on thursday for refurbs and hopefully there is a preciso.
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Posted Mon Sep 16, 2013, 7:33pm
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I agree, check Baratzas website for a refurbished preciso. Scour the buy and sell ads here as well for nice used grinders as there are generally a few good ones that pop up.  A Hario hand grinder is very well priced  if you're not grinding a lot.  Porlex would be the next step up as a cheaper hand grinder as well.  The Breville Smart Grinder can be found for $150-200 and I love it (I don't use it for espresso though) but not everyone has good luck with it for espresso.
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Posted Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:53am
Subject: Re: Grinder?
 

marsel Said:

So I recently purchased Gaggia Classic. Made a few shots, (used Bustelo grounded coffee). Shots are too fast, about 15 seconds, although somewhat creamy. I did research and i know good grinder is must as well as selection of coffee. My dilemma is this, due $ restraints at least for know i have to settle for grinder bellow $200 if possible (even hand one is option) or go with pre-grounded espresso coffee. Recommendations would be appreciated with regard to grinder choice (within my price range) and coffee beans selection or pre-ground coffee selection.

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If your shots are too fast then your beans are likely stale.  If you're using preground then your beans are definitely stale.  Cotinuing to use preground will not address your problem with shots being too fast.  You have to grind every time -- that's one reason why the grinder is important.
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Posted Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:56am
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marsel Said:

So I recently purchased Gaggia Classic. Made a few shots, (used Bustelo grounded coffee). Shots are too fast, about 15 seconds, although somewhat creamy. I did research and i know good grinder is must as well as selection of coffee. My dilemma is this, due $ restraints at least for know i have to settle for grinder bellow $200 if possible (even hand one is option) or go with pre-grounded espresso coffee. Recommendations would be appreciated with regard to grinder choice (within my price range) and coffee beans selection or pre-ground coffee selection.

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If your shots are too fast then your beans are likely stale.  If you're using preground then your beans are definitely stale.  Cotinuing to use preground will not address your problem with shots being too fast.
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Posted Wed Sep 18, 2013, 4:19pm
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Hi Marsel.  I own an Orphan Espresso Pharos hand grinder Click Here (www.orphanespresso.com) which cost me $245 plus shipping, new.  I was unsure about spending this much on a hand grinder, but I have been very impressed so far.  There is good discussion on home-barista.com and this site about it.  The grind quality is excellent, but there are some minor quirks with it.  For me, it was the best bang for my buck.  I plan on never getting another grinder.  It might be worth looking for a used one on the forums, or a new one at OE when they are back in stock.  All the best with your decision.
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Posted Thu Sep 19, 2013, 2:24am
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You know once your budget restraint you in buying a new grinder; it is hard to find the one that suit your need. Grinding your own can assure that you have good selection of beans for your espresso. If you can bear for the moment to grind using a hand grinder, you can maybe start just to get what you need. However, if your budget can allow buying a grinder with the best technology, try Breville Smart Grinder. You can buy this grinder lower than $200.

 
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