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RaGzMaN
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Location: NYC
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Espresso: Rancilio Silvia
Grinder: Baratza Forté
Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 8:56am
Subject: New Grinder - $500/600
 

Hi all,
Great advice on here so firstly, thanks for everything so far. Im essentially a domestic newbie but relatively well read. I use a professional machine in my office but have just invested in something for home use so outside of using what I have in my office im pretty fresh.

Im looking for a grinder to pair with a Rancilio Silvia V3.
Mostly and probably only making espresso.

Ive read so much up and down about the Rocky which seems such a natural pair for the Silvia but that considered ive decided to skip it. I dont however want to quite get up there and drop a grand so am looking for something in the 500 600 range used or new.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I like the idea of a Vario-W with being able to weigh my grinds.
The Mazzer Mini looks interesting, maybe a used one.
Doserless is probably the direction I want to go but not totally essential.  

Thanks in advance
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Burner0000
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Drip: Manual Drip, French Press
Roaster: Behmor 1600 / Sonofresco
Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 9:27am
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Considering your budget for a new grinder the Vario is a good idea.  You can however find Mazzer's used all over the place.   You may even find a Super Jolly within your price range. Here's one. :)  Super Jolly for $385 Doserless may be harder to find though for under $600.
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tglodjo
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Location: Jackson, TN
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
Grinder: Baratza Vario, Virtuoso
Drip: Wave, V60, Chemex, Clever
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 9:29am
Subject: Re: New Grinder - $500/600
 

(I own a Vario W and absolutely love it. Pair it wish an Orphan Espresso dosing funnel and you're good to go. The build quality is certainly not as high as a Mazzer Mini, but the quality in the cup is said to be on par with a Mazzer Super Jolly.

There's currently one listed on the Baratza website for $440 refurbished. (Click Here (www.baratza.com))

I'm not affiliated with Baratza. Just a proud owner.
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RaGzMaN
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Espresso: Rancilio Silvia
Grinder: Baratza Forté
Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 9:53am
Subject: Re: New Grinder - $500/600
 

Thanks for the replies and links. The Jolly looks great but maybe to large, looks massive!

Is the Pasquini K2 Doserless worth considering?

tglodjo could you explain what the Orphan Espresso dosing funnel does? Ive not got any experience with the Baratza, presumably its a pain to pour out into the portafilter.

Thanks
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Espresso: Alex Duetto 3.0
Grinder: Super Jolly
Roaster: Amaya Roasting
Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 9:58am
Subject: Re: New Grinder - $500/600
 

RaGzMaN Said:

Ive read so much up and down about the Rocky which seems such a natural pair for the Silvia but that considered ive decided to skip it.

Posted September 24, 2013 link

It's all down in recent discussions.

Vario-W would be good if you want to weigh without a separate scale.  If you're going to look at Mazzers try to find a Super Jolly in your budget.  New is probably a bit over your budget.  Used will definitely be in your budget.  However, you will end up with a doser unless you go after the E version which is significantly more expensive.
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Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:04am
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RaGzMaN Said:

Ive read so much up and down about the Rocky which seems such a natural pair for the Silvia but that considered ive decided to skip it.

Posted September 24, 2013 link

It's all down in recent discussions.

Vario-W would be good if you want to weight.  If you're going to look at Mazzers try to find a Super Jolly in your budget.  New is probably a bit over your budget.  Used will definitely be in your budget.  However, you will end up with a doser unless you go after the E version which is significantly more expensive.
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RaGzMaN
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Espresso: Rancilio Silvia
Grinder: Baratza Forté
Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:05am
Subject: Re: New Grinder - $500/600
 

takeshi Said:

It's all down in recent discussions.

Vario-W would be good if you want to weigh without a separate scale.  If you're going to look at Mazzers try to find a Super Jolly in your budget.  New is probably a bit over your budget ($780 at Espresso Parts).  Used will definitely be in your budget.  However, you will end up with a doser unless you go after the E version which is significantly more expensive ($1,295 at Espresso Parts).

Posted September 24, 2013 link

Ive used a doser at the office. I would mostly be using it to do single servings, maybe 2 servings. Never used doserless but has come recommended to me by coffee friends.

Just came across this

http://www.wholelattelove.com/Mazzer/typeb.cfm

Its more than I want to spend, a lot more if the refurb Vario-W is an option but wonder what the vibe is long term. If I went with the refurb am I always going to be thinking about what if id just got the mazzer. I know thats a slippery slope and I its definitely at the very very top end of what id be prepared to spend, in fact I dont know that I would be prepared to spend 800 but just mention it as a comparison.
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Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:15am
Subject: Re: New Grinder - $500/600
 

RaGzMaN Said:

Ive used a doser at the office. I would mostly be using it to do single servings, maybe 2 servings. Never used doserless but has come recommended to me by coffee friends.

Just came across this

http://www.wholelattelove.com/Mazzer/typeb.cfm

Its more than I want to spend, a lot more if the refurb Vario-W is an option but wonder what the vibe is long term. If I went with the refurb am I always going to be thinking about what if id just got the mazzer. I know thats a slippery slope and I its definitely at the very very top end of what id be prepared to spend, in fact I dont know that I would be prepared to spend 800 but just mention it as a comparison.

Posted September 24, 2013 link


Good deal!
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RaGzMaN
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Espresso: Rancilio Silvia
Grinder: Baratza Forté
Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:14am
Subject: Re: New Grinder - $500/600
 

Burner0000 Said:

Good deal!

Posted September 24, 2013 link

Interested to know your thoughts on that mazzer @ $800 vs the refurb Vario-W @ $440

Wonder if I am better off dropping $440 and see how things progress or am I really going to get a world more out of the mazzer
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
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Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
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Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:39am
Subject: Re: New Grinder - $500/600
 

Mazzers are great and will last forever in a home.

That one has 64 mm burrs and that is a good thing.
SJs can be found used for about half the price of that new electronic grinder, there is very little to wear out and if you can prep and paint, it will look new. Add a new set of burrs and you have a very quality grinder for the lower end of your posts price range.

Doser/less is a 100% personal choice. There are positives on both sides of the coin, either works well. My PERSONAL preference is to have a doser, not to dose with but as a built in place to hold the grinds for my next shot while pulling one. There is less static and clumping with a doser. The down side is that you need to modify it to sweep cleanly, not a hard thing to do but stock they are not great in the sweeping clean arena. They also tend to be cleaner on the counter when in use. The doserless has the advantage of not needing a mod to eliminate grind retention. Either works, it is a pure personal choice as to which way you would like to go.

 
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