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ristrettopuller
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Posted Mon Dec 2, 2013, 8:44pm
Subject: LE'LIT PL53 vs. PRECISO vs. VARIO
 

Looking to buy a new grinder, Ive heard nothing but praise about the Lelit, Also wondering about Quick Mill Evo 60 and the Ascaso Products.
Im planning to pair one of these with either a Silvano, a Lelit PL041QE or a CC1, quality trumps budget but obviously want to stay a cheap as possible with still great quality
Experienced users please help! Thanks!
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 8:44am
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Vario hands down
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 8:49am
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CMIN Said:

Vario hands down

Posted December 3, 2013 link

+1, +2, +7-3/8.

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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 9:59am
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really vario? isn't it tacky though? i know it has great options near stepless, but i cant seem to get over the build style and quality, it seems so unconventional in comparisson to other true espresso grinders, it seems like its just a suped-up standard burr grinder
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:27am
Subject: Re: LE'LIT PL53 vs. PRECISO vs. VARIO
 

In that case a used Super Jolly, change the burrs and be done with it.

 
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:35am
Subject: Re: LE'LIT PL53 vs. PRECISO vs. VARIO
 

ristrettopuller Said:

really vario? isn't it tacky though? i know it has great options near stepless, but i cant seem to get over the build style and quality, it seems so unconventional in comparisson to other true espresso grinders, it seems like its just a suped-up standard burr grinder

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There are several reasons why the Vario is as popular as it is:
1) Grind quality of much more expensive grinders.
2) Easily fits on most countertops.
3) Price point.
4) Ease of use
5) Flexibility to use for more than just espresso
6) Near stepless functionality
7) Baratza customer support

The only reoccuring negative is the sturdiness/build quality compared to say... a Mazzer.
Baratza is filling the holes in their product map though. Launching the Forte seems to have been a big success for them. Also some of the the Sturdier/Heavier accessories of the Forte will fit the Vario....  Shut Off Hopper/Portafilter Holder. I have added both and it does make the Vario much more attractive while adding functionality.

If you don't mind buying used you can get Commercial grade equipment for near the same price. I paid $399 plus tax for my Vario and  for example... I could buy a used MDX in my neck of the woods right now for about $500.

It won't fit on my counter though so it is kind of irrelevent even though I have no doubt the few extra dollars would be worth the improved grind.
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 1:53pm
Subject: Re: LE'LIT PL53 vs. PRECISO vs. VARIO
 

ristrettopuller Said:

really vario? isn't it tacky though? i know it has great options near stepless, but i cant seem to get over the build style and quality, it seems so unconventional in comparisson to other true espresso grinders, it seems like its just a suped-up standard burr grinder

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Does convention matter?  It's really your call to determine where your priorities lie with the grinder.  "True espresso grinders" are burr grinders so I don't understand the latter comment.

For most it's performance versus cost and the Vario is difficult to beat on those terms.  If the build quality and appearance are concerns I'd suggest looking at used commercial grinders.  Can't go wrong with a Super Jolly but there are certainly other options as well.
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 4:03pm
Subject: Re: LE'LIT PL53 vs. PRECISO vs. VARIO
 

ristrettopuller Said:

really vario? isn't it tacky though? i know it has great options near stepless, but i cant seem to get over the build style and quality, it seems so unconventional in comparisson to other true espresso grinders, it seems like its just a suped-up standard burr grinder

Posted December 3, 2013 link

Get a Mazzer if you want a real grinder.

Anything else and you might as well just throw darts at a bunch of names.

Vario is an acceptable home grinder for espresso.  If you want something that is more "tank like" get a Forte but at that price you might as well spend a little more for a Super Jolly and give up all of the anxiety over physical appearance.
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 5:39pm
Subject: Re: LE'LIT PL53 vs. PRECISO vs. VARIO
 

Thank you all so much for your responses, its been very helpful, jsut to clarify, by no means am I bashing on the vario nor the looks, its just very evident that compared to other grinders, the exterior does look tacky, that being said I did not know whether or not that was a reflection of the machines internals or not, so its great to hear that its still very good.

As far as mazzer goes, super jolly over the mini? how do Macaps compare? and what about that lil Lelit?
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Posted Wed Dec 4, 2013, 6:03am
Subject: Re: LE'LIT PL53 vs. PRECISO vs. VARIO
 

Super Jolly or Major the Mini does not have the "grunt" for the long haul. You should be able to find a decent deal on a used Jolly with very little effort.

 
Yes I put the BDB and CC1 in the same class, yes i have a reason for leaving SCG off my list, yes it is my opinion, yes it is subjective as opinions are by definition, no don't start a flame war because you disagree.
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