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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:58am
Subject: Ebay Price on New Vario Question
 

So new Varios on ebay are 449 OBO.  I offered 275 and the seller came back at $350.  How much does Baratza sell refurbs for?  Does anyone have experience with Buying Baratza products new off ebay and getting support from Baratza? Seller  (with a ton of positive feedback) says items listed as New do come with factory warranties.  Dos everyone think a new Vario for 350 is the right move, or should I be looking to pay less with a used machine?

Also, shipping is free.

Also, are people generally as happy with a Vario as people are with Minis, Compak k3 touch, Rocky, and macap m4?
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:03am
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Here is Baratza's list of current refurbs

Click Here (www.baratza.com)
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:05am
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Right, but that's a Preciso and a Vario-W. I looked at that, but still dont know what a Vario goes for refurbished.
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:16am
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I suspect the only way to know that is to stay tuned in to that page.
I understand that Baratza updates it weekly.
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:20am
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JerDGold Said:

So new Varios on ebay are 449 OBO.  I offered 275 and the seller came back at $350.  How much does Baratza sell refurbs for?  Does anyone have experience with Buying Baratza products new off ebay and getting support from Baratza? Seller  (with a ton of positive feedback) says items listed as New do come with factory warranties.  Dos everyone think a new Vario for 350 is the right move, or should I be looking to pay less with a used machine?

Also, shipping is free.

Also, are people generally as happy with a Vario as people are with Minis, Compak k3 touch, Rocky, and macap m4?

Posted December 23, 2013 link

Earlier this week Baratza had a refurb Vario on their page for $360, and it went within a day. I just picked up a new Vario from a seller on eBay for $350 with free shipping. Feel like that's a pretty good deal. I would jump on it if you're sure the grinder is the one you want. From my research and members on here it seems like the Vario is a very capable entry level grinder.
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:24am
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JerDGold Said:

So new Varios on ebay are 449 OBO.  I offered 275 and the seller came back at $350.  How much does Baratza sell refurbs for?  Does anyone have experience with Buying Baratza products new off ebay and getting support from Baratza? Seller  (with a ton of positive feedback) says items listed as New do come with factory warranties.  Dos everyone think a new Vario for 350 is the right move, or should I be looking to pay less with a used machine?

Also, shipping is free.

Also, are people generally as happy with a Vario as people are with Minis, Compak k3 touch, Rocky, and macap m4?

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I wouldn't put the Rocky in that class with the others, build quality wise yes, but not grind quality/ease of use/taste etc. That said a Vario will outperform those mentioned for taste in cup and ease of use, your getting little retention and nice fluffy grinds. The new models with the fixes seem fine, some of the earlier ones like the 1st year or two had some finicky issues with maintaining grind adjustment etc. My buddies had his for about 2 years I think and it's fine, no wandering grind issues like some reported on earlier versions. He had a Mazzer Mini too and got rid it for the Vario. It performs like a Super Jolley in the cup, which is a class above those grinders you mentioned.

Can't recall what a refurbed Vario goes for exactly, just have to keep an eye on that page. Either way, $350 for a new one is a bargain. Used the Mini and K3 and would take the Vario over it. Owners of the M4 and Vario have given the Vario the nod. Will it hast 20 years, pry not, easy to work on and get parts for, Baratza has the best customer service. Their solid grinders, just don't expect to have that hulking 20+ pound carved out of a bank vault feel. If you must have the solid metal bank vault build I would personally look for a used Super Jolley in that price range, no offense to any of the owners of grinders in that class (Mini etc)
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 2:20pm
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Trigger has been pulled.  For anyone interested, on ebay, zoes-stuff sells brand new Varios at 449 OBO.  I countered the 449 with 275 and they came back at 350, all with free shipping.  You may even be bale to get the price lower, who knows.  Just don't tell me if you do, please.  Here's the link for anyone interested.
Click Here (cgi.ebay.com)
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 2:21pm
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Be careful buying on ebay. Know who the seller is. I retail Baratza grinders and our site was hit with an influx of people trying to purchase Baratza grinders with stolen credit cards and then resell them on eBay. You could be unknowingly purchasing stolen goods. I'd recommend buying from Baratza directly or another reputable source.

A new Vario for $350 is below the minimum advertised pricing (MAP) set by Baratza that retailer's must abide by. So either 1. someone bought it new and decided for some reason they didn't want it, so they are taking a loss on selling it on ebay, trying to recoup some of their funds, 2. it was purchased with stolen credit cards, so they can resell it at whatever cost and make a decent profit, 3. they are not honoring the MAP they agreed to.

For a retailer to sell a Vario new for $350 leaves so little profit margin, that I can't even imagine it worth the effort to put it on ebay.

 
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 2:31pm
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I appreciate the feedback, and while I don't have a ton of experience recently on Ebay, the seller does have over 24,000 positive feedback.  Hopefully it works out, because I already sent payment.  Thanks for the heads up, I'll keep everyone posted.
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 7:37pm
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I would say you are fine with 24K positive feedback - typically the fraudsters that hit Ebay have low feedback counts, as they and come and go quickly .  Ebay can be a great place to shop if you stick with the proven veteran sellers, aka the ones who have the feedback and sales to back up credibility.... as you know.  Plus, if I am buying a specialty item (like a grinder) from a seller who sells a little of everything - I tend to go into their feedback profile and see if they sell a lot of that item, and see how other buyers liked it.  I would rather buy a grinder from a seller who has sold a many of them, with the customer feedback to testify quality!

I have bought a lot of stuff on Ebay, and sell a lot of stuff on Ebay myself, and have never really had an issue - but I take some simple steps to save the headache.... just like you did.

That being said, 24K positive feedback with 98% satisfaction could mean lots of unhappy buyers! :-)  I try to work with sellers with as close to 100% feedback rating as possible.
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