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SpaceTime
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 7:24pm
Subject: Which would you choose - an HG One or a K10 Pro Barista??
 

I was originally thinking Mini Mazzer E or Compak K3 territory for my new / next Espresso machine (which, btw is still undecided - I am either getting a Mini Viv II, or a V2B... or a Duetto III... LOL - you get it)

Anyway, back to the more important part of the decision, and the one I want to make first - my grinder.   I have decided I want to one-up the grinder budget, and I am debating an HG One vs a K10 Pro Barista.  I kicked around a K8 Fresh, but like the idea of the the 68mm Conicals vs the smaller flat burrs on the K8.    (I own a Pharos with 68mm burrs, and like them a lot - just used them the other day at a friends house and was impressed!)

I also weighed the K10 Fresh vs K10 Pro Barista, but for the amount of time I will be grinding / pulling onesy-twosy shots, and since I plan on changing coffees semi-frequently, I like the Pro Barista idea better so I don't have to deal with the 10-15g of retention on the Fresh.  PLUS, and of course, there is a $500+ difference between the K10's, with the only difference being the doser on the Pro Barista.

Finally - the HG One.  Something about that grinder just appeals to me.  83mm burrs... jeez.  I don't think they even make the 71mm burrs on the HG one anymore, I looked at their website and did not see the 71mm being offered, only the 83mm.

Anyway, I know there are folks here that have owned or tried both of these, and maybe even some that were lucky enough to compare them... whaddya think?  Should I just get both??  ;-)
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 7:58pm
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How many drinks do you plan to make a day? I have an HG one and i love it.I also have a K-30  which I also love. I only make a few drinks a day so the HG one has not worn out it's welcome. If I made any more than five drinks a day I think I would tire of the manual ritual and probably end up using the the motorized grinder.
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 8:23pm
Subject: Re: Which would you choose - an HG One or a K10 Pro Barista??
 

Most of the time it will be around five (give or take) as it will be only me, but I will entertain, will have friends over, etc.... want to be prepared for all eventualities.  (my wife does not drink coffee).  And like you I plan on having both a manual and electric grinder.   I already own a Pharos, and if I decide on getting a K10 for my next grinder, I will keep the Pharos and that will be my combo.  If I cave and get an HG One, I will probably give the Pharos to my sister ;-) and reconsider spending less for my plug in, like a Mini E or an SJ...

Whatever I do, I will always want a manual and electric grinder, and WILL use the manual, it won't just sit there.  I like having a manual grinder, and the Pharos is a great grinder to boot... but so is the HG One!  I already own a manual and electric with my drip / FP, and they see equal use. I like manual grinding, to me it is rewarding and I don't mind the extra work!

But one step at a time - I am trying to stay laser focused on whether my next grinder is a K10 Pro or a HG One... my ultimate gauge for the decision is which gives better quality IN THE CUP!  ***So, number of shots per day, how many friends I have over, budget, etc are all secondary to getting the better grinder for the grind quality - that is the main focus of this decision!  That make sense?
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 7:30am
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SpaceTime, why have you not pulled the trigger on a new Vetrano 2B, yet?  You know you want it!!!  Settle for the best, and forget the rest!
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 8:05am
Subject: Re: Which would you choose - an HG One or a K10 Pro Barista??
 

The HG One looks awesome!  I didn't know it was only $900.  As much as I love the appeal of hand grinders I have to side with steven_meyer and say that if your spitting out a lot of drinks your arm will get tired.  I know it's way out your price range but have you looked at the Versalab M3? I got to see this in action a few weeks ago and it was amazing!  Has the 68mm burrs you like. Has the looks of the HG One but is motorized with no grind retention.  I could never afford to spend $2k on a grinder but if I could I would get the M3.
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 8:30am
Subject: Re: Which would you choose - an HG One or a K10 Pro Barista??
 

sharky Said:

SpaceTime, why have you not pulled the trigger on a new Vetrano 2B, yet?  You know you want it!!!  Settle for the best, and forget the rest!

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Come on Sharky, stay on topic... lol

Machine is really 2nd priority to me believe it or not, throw into the mix I am actually considering a new or used Cremina too!  In the end I will have two machines... one lever and on semi.  There are so many great machines out there...

Do you have any wisdom for me on a grinder - ya know, the topic?  ;-)
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 8:34am
Subject: Re: Which would you choose - an HG One or a K10 Pro Barista??
 

Burner0000 Said:

 As much as I love the appeal of hand grinders I have to side with steven_meyer and say that if your spitting out a lot of drinks your arm will get tired.

Posted December 25, 2013 link

I think you missed the part that I will have an electric and manual at the end of the day - that will suffice for the times when there are multiples to serve.  And that is semi-infrequent - once every month or two?  So even if I did have to hand grind, no biggie - get one on the Pharos, one on the HG!

Regardless ---- This post is just asking the focused question ---- which grinder would you pick based on GRIND QUALITY IN THE CUP.

Forget about any assumptions of tired arms ;-o, how many people I have over per day, etc, etc.  Assume I can figure all that stuff out, just looking for a discussion on which grinder produces better RESULTS (ya know, ground coffee)

EDIT - did look at the Versalab at your suggestion - I have seen the name, but never took the time before to look at in detail... and you are correct it does look a little like the HG One... or maybe we should reverse that - maybe the HG One was designed like the Versalab in principle?  Not sure...

Any CG members own a  Versalab??
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:44pm
Subject: Re: Which would you choose - an HG One or a K10 Pro Barista??
 

Space Time:
I've never used the Pharaoh, nor the Compak.  Was debating the Compak, Robur, EK43, and Ditting.  Visited TomC (see HB forums) and he graciously allowed me to test the HG1.  Finally I was so confused, reading the 20 and 30 odd page posts on grinders, that I closed my eyes and ordered the HG1.  I've had it for a bit over two weeks and here is what I can tell you about it.
I did also order the bottom scraper and the portaholder.

I only make two coffees each day, a cappa and an espresso, though while dialing in I did make three a day.  I wanted the smaller burr set per Tom's information but it is not available anymore.  I did not want to wait for the "alternate" 83mm set so I settled for the titanium Mazzer 83mm set.  Following their directions I reverse the crank to a 3 o'clock position and count my turns.  I think I grind too slowly.  I count 35 rotations x 3 times and then go about another 10 rotations with some reverse/forward movement to finalize the grind.  I'm guessing the burrs will work in over time and I bet I'll be down to a total of 70 rotations or better but I am just guessing.

I did start out with some minute rice to work in the burrs but I had not back off enough and locked up the grinder just like the instructions tell you not to!  I am not mechanical and freaked out.  I did not want to take apart the machine as I did not trust myself to properly reassemble it.  Finally I cranked in reverse (forever) until I cleared the machine; backed off the setting and put just a little rice in to test.  It worked so I put too much rice in and locked up again.  At least I knew how to clear it.  After that I put the rice away and decided I would just let the coffee beans work in the machine.  I'm in no rush to go anywhere so the grinding time does not bother me.  Even so it is not too long but it will be nicer when it takes fewer rotations to complete grinding.

Retention:  I have not noticed any problems.  
Grind:  fluffy and no clumping.
Settings:  The smallest change makes a big difference.  This machine is very exact.
Right now I'm using a Costco dark French and the beans aren't exactly fresh.  It is all I can afford at the moment but in my Rocket the espresso is the best I have made in the last 20 years.  When I grow up, I'll try some good beans.  HTH.
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 1:45pm
Subject: Re: Which would you choose - an HG One or a K10 Pro Barista??
 

bronsht Said:

Space Time:
I've never used the Pharaoh, nor the Compak.  Was debating the Compak, Robur, EK43, and Ditting.  Visited TomC (see HB forums) and he graciously allowed me to test the HG1.  Finally I was so confused, reading the 20 and 30 odd page posts on grinders, that I closed my eyes and ordered the HG1.  I've had it for a bit over two weeks and here is what I can tell you about it.
I did also order the bottom scraper and the portaholder.

I only make two coffees each day, a cappa and an espresso, though while dialing in I did make three a day.  I wanted the smaller burr set per Tom's information but it is not available anymore.  I did not want to wait for the "alternate" 83mm set so I settled for the titanium Mazzer 83mm set.  Following their directions I reverse the crank to a 3 o'clock position and count my turns.  I think I grind too slowly.  I count 35 rotations x 3 times and then go about another 10 rotations with some reverse/forward movement to finalize the grind.  I'm guessing the burrs will work in over time and I bet I'll be down to a total of 70 rotations or better but I am just guessing.

I did start out with some minute rice to work in the burrs but I had not back off enough and locked up the grinder just like the instructions tell you not to!  I am not mechanical and freaked out.  I did not want to take apart the machine as I did not trust myself to properly reassemble it.  Finally I cranked in reverse (forever) until I cleared the machine; backed off the setting and put just a little rice in to test.  It worked so I put too much rice in and locked up again.  At least I knew how to clear it.  After that I put the rice away and decided I would just let the coffee beans work in the machine.  I'm in no rush to go anywhere so the grinding time does not bother me.  Even so it is not too long but it will be nicer when it takes fewer rotations to complete grinding.

Retention:  I have not noticed any problems.  
Grind:  fluffy and no clumping.
Settings:  The smallest change makes a big difference.  This machine is very exact.
Right now I'm using a Costco dark French and the beans aren't exactly fresh.  It is all I can afford at the moment but in my Rocket the espresso is the best I have made in the last 20 years.  When I grow up, I'll try some good beans.  HTH.

Posted December 25, 2013 link

Thank you for the detailed post.  And yes, I have read TomC's offerings on HB in the past regarding the HG One - he is one happy customer.  I have also read his comparisons of the Pharos to the HG One - that thread was a VERY interesting read - and even though TomC went on a limb with his observations of the Pharos, he was not that far off in his comparison regarding ergonomics and ease of use.  The HG One is a little more user friendly, especially without any Pharos mods.  I still LOVE my Pharos, and will probably never part with it - but I like the looks of the HG One.  

I just noticed CG member "Weebitnutty" just posted a video over on the Lever board where he shows off his HG One in use with his "dualing" Creminas...

I am very tempted by an HG One, and one of the reasons is solely because I love manual, well engineered machinery.  I also like the look / aesthetics.  

Finally, I used to use those same Costco French Roast beans - and YES you do need to get some new beans.  Those beans are at a minimum typically WEEKS old by the time you get your hands on them - plus, they are oily, over-roasted and pale in flavor comparison to just about any fresh-roasted offering from any local / internet roaster worth his or her salt!  Sorry, just had to say that!
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 5:02pm
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Anybody know how much the HG One with 83mm burrs weighs?  Also - the base and the frame - is that made of wood?  Aluminum?  Metal?

I have combed the HG One site, done some searches, but cannot seem to find that information anywhere.

Also, where are the current HG One's manufactured?  I heard they are now made in China - is this true?  I read that the early ones were manufactured by hand in the US, and since then, they have moved the manufacture overseas?  

Just trying to get the facts - the website does not have the information like weight, country of manufacture, etc.  I am not making a judgment, or implying that anything is wrong because of where it is made for those who like to debate these facts.

I plan on sending an email to Craig / Paul if I cannot get the answers here.  Maybe this information will help others reading this thread.
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