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Posted Wed Jan 8, 2014, 1:57pm
Subject: New Olympia Moca Grinder - 2014 Version - ETA of 6/2014
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H71HXxe_qSU

I cannot find any real details on burr size dimensions, weight, etc  for the 2014 model.  High level details at Cerini's here:

Cerini's - Moca Grinder

I like the looks of it... from past discussions, the older model needed improvements.  Anyone have any insight - past or present?  Chances of it being wildly "over-priced?"  Lol
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Posted Wed Jan 8, 2014, 9:08pm
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SpaceTime Said:

Chances of it being wildly "over-priced?"  Lol

Posted January 8, 2014 link

Compared to.....

:)
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Posted Wed Jan 8, 2014, 9:22pm
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...history and precedent?

;)

I dunno, just feeding off the perception that Olympia Express retail pricing has a small premium for some of the products... guess it can be argued / debated all day long  - and I am sure it has!!  Of course it is all relative to ones budget, needs, wants, tastes, bank account... and how much the cool factor of having that cool looking grinder sitting next to your Cremina weighs... (that has to mean something, no?  Especially if you were to have, say, TWO Creminas :-))
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Posted Sun Jan 12, 2014, 1:20pm
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This looks really cool. It sounded rather quiet in the video. Actually it sounded like a quality grinder. I'll have to check with the new US retailer if they've updated the Cremina or Maximatic for 2014 as well.
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Posted Sun Jan 12, 2014, 1:59pm
Subject: Re: New Olympia Moca Grinder - 2014 Version - ETA of 6/2014
 

It looks somewhat like a Mahlkönig ProM in a new metal casing, but it only has a 200 watt motor, so the burrs will be small.  I'll forecast a price of $1750 - purely a WAG.
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Posted Sun Jan 12, 2014, 5:14pm
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Yeah, I thought it looks like a Pro M as well; probably because of the knob on the side. What's the wattage of the ProM motor?
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Posted Wed Jan 15, 2014, 10:35pm
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PavoniMaster Said:

Yeah, I thought it looks like a Pro M as well; probably because of the knob on the side. What's the wattage of the ProM motor?

Posted January 12, 2014 link

Pro M = 265 on the standard and 450 on the "all arounder" model... both are belt driven on the Pro M. (from Chris coffee).

For some relative comparison, the Mini E drives 64mm burrs at 250 watts... and I would not consider those "small".

Then again, Roadie has 71 mm burrs, and could have gotten 83mm, so everything by comparison is small!  LOL

I would hope they would not be much smaller than 54mm...
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Posted Sun Jan 19, 2014, 11:15am
Subject: Re: New Olympia Moca Grinder - 2014 Version - ETA of 6/2014
 

More info on the newly redesigned Olympia website

http://www.olympia-express.ch/en/products/moca

Looks like 64mm Burrs, paired with a 300 watt motor
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Posted Sun Jan 19, 2014, 11:41am
Subject: Re: New Olympia Moca Grinder - 2014 Version - ETA of 6/2014
 

SpaceTime Said:

Pro M = 265 on the standard and 450 on the "all arounder" model... both are belt driven on the Pro M. (from Chris coffee).

For some relative comparison, the Mini E drives 64mm burrs at 250 watts... and I would not consider those "small".

Then again, Roadie has 71 mm burrs, and could have gotten 83mm, so everything by comparison is small!  LOL

I would hope they would not be much smaller than 54mm...

Posted January 15, 2014 link

One thing a LOT of people don't understand properly is that a given size burr increase does not guarantee a better grind.  For instance, the Mini E's burrs are the same size as the SJ; however, the two sets of burrs are completely different.  More important is the total grind length.  Also, 71mm conical burrs are radically different than say 68mm flat burrs.

Grind length and aggressiveness of the cutting surfaces dictate the the torque needed for the motor.  Cerini's site says a 200 watt motor, so I'm not expecting this thing to really be a real player.  

One last thing...at some point you hit the point of diminishing returns.  In the case of Mazzer's Robur burrs, the 71mm (115V) equal the 83mm (220-240V) in the cup, but the 220-240V Robur is REALLY fast...like 3 seconds for 18 grams fast.
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Posted Fri Feb 28, 2014, 7:51am
Subject: Re: New Olympia Moca Grinder - 2014 Version - ETA of 6/2014
 

Just to add to the information in your thread The factory’s web site indicated that it has newly designed burrs a 300 watt motor and the hopper is redesigned so that you can’t grind if the the hopper is not properly locked in place. Thr swiss price will be 1250.00CHF which I believe is the current price. The distributor in Australia tells me that it will sell for AUD$1850.00

Ciao

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