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rays
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Posted Mon Feb 24, 2014, 12:29am
Subject: Noob Question, grinder selection
 

hi guys, I am buying a silvia to start with my coffee journey, and please help me decide a grinder (for espresso only)

my options are:

new Baratza Vario or used simonelli mcf ($400) or used super jolly ($500)

I am leaning towards to buy the silvia kit that pairs with Vario and that's $1050(Silvia is $660 in Canada), you thoughts?
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Posted Mon Feb 24, 2014, 1:56am
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Out of those three, definitely the Mazzer Super Jolly.

 
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Posted Mon Feb 24, 2014, 7:25am
Subject: Re: Noob Question, grinder selection
 

For that price, the SJ should have new burrs and be 100% operational and need nothing. Other grinders can also be had in the commercial class, often overlooked is the N.S. MDX, it is every bit the grinder of a SJ while having an easier to use adjustment system.

Take your time, used equipment is always showing up and being bought and sold both here in the Buy Sell Trade forum and online places such as Craigs list and most expensively, Ebay.

 
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Posted Mon Feb 24, 2014, 7:38am
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You do not need matching appliances unless you want to look at matching appliances in your kitchen.

I've owned and used 2 of the 3 you are contemplating.  Out of those my #1 ranking would be a Super Jolly, followed by the Varo.  No personal experience with the MCF so no comments.

If you only want to own one espresso grinder in your lifetime bite the bullet and get a super jolly.
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Posted Mon Feb 24, 2014, 7:48am
Subject: Re: Noob Question, grinder selection
 

Don't get a Silvia.

Of the grinders you mention, the SJ is the best, and the Vario next.  The SJ is much better built than the Vario, the Vario is considerably neater, more user friendly and a great deal more versatile.  The SJ is better -- but not by a great deal -- in the cup.

SJs are very good grinders.  The bad raps on them, such as they are, is that they're a bit of a PITA to adjust, and they're messy.  Two grinders with identical "grind quality," the Quamar M80 and Ceado E6, go for around $800CDN new, while the Mazzer and Ceado E7 (same as E6 but bigger motor are about $900CDN.  "Grind quality" is identical.  The E6 and E7 are, in every way, nicer grinders to use than an SJ.  (My recent experience with a different model Ceado has me very high on the brand.)

There's a thread up on H-B with a good comparison of the Ceado, Mazzer and Quamar. And yes, I recognize that these new grinders are out of your stated price range, but they should provide some reference to help you figure out how much a used SJ is worth. The Quamar is in every way, not as nice.  

With any of the grinders, except the Vario, if you're not single-dosing, you'll need a grinder timer of some sort. The excellent Auber runs $100.

Just say "NO" to Silvia.

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Posted Mon Feb 24, 2014, 10:26am
Subject: Re: Noob Question, grinder selection
 

Thanks everyone

I like SJ but feel it might be too big for the countertop, however I'll go and see it in person.

Why no Silvia, any other substitutions close to that price?
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Posted Mon Feb 24, 2014, 10:50am
Subject: Re: Noob Question, grinder selection
 

Crossland CC1, Seattle Coffee Gear has them for $699 with 10%, so $639 the same price as the Slivia.  The CC1 has a built in PID and a separate thermal block for the steam.

Just cross your fingers that UPS doesn't lose it on the way too you...
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Posted Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:10am
Subject: Re: Noob Question, grinder selection
 

rays Said:

Thanks everyone

I like SJ but feel it might be too big for the countertop, however I'll go and see it in person.

Why no Silvia, any other substitutions close to that price?

Posted February 24, 2014 link

You can fit the Mini small bean hopper on it which will let it sit UNDER a standard 18" spaced upper cabinet.

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Posted Tue Mar 4, 2014, 8:56pm
Subject: Re: Noob Question, grinder selection
 

rays Said:

Thanks everyone

I like SJ but feel it might be too big for the countertop, however I'll go and see it in person.

Why no Silvia, any other substitutions close to that price?

Posted February 24, 2014 link

Ask yourself with many of the grinders deemed "appropriate" for good espresso - "how big is your kitchen?"

These 35lb+ grinders (K10's, SJ's, etc) do have one thing in common - they are BIG and HEAVY- and hard to just store in the cabinet when not in use.  The mere prospect of the wife moving it to wipe the counter suddenly becomes a point of consideration.

If you are blessed with plenty of empty and large counters, then no worries, I envy you.
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Drip: Chemex + Kone; Espro Press
Roaster: USRC Sample Roaster
Posted Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:16am
Subject: Re: Noob Question, grinder selection
 

rays Said:

Why no Silvia?

Posted February 24, 2014 link

The best thing you can say the Silivia was that it used to be good for its price.  However that was a long time ago.  It's now obsolete, and is non-competitive in the senses that there are similar machines for much less money, and better machines for around the same.  

The Silvia:
  1. Can't be temped with sufficient accuracy nor consistency to balance bitters and sours for dial-in or subsequent shots;
  2. Takes so long to heat up to steam temperature, and then so long to steam that the espresso collapses waiting for the milk; and
  3. Doesn't have a temp stabilized group.  Doesn't have pre-infusion.  Etc., etc.

Any ... substitutions close to that price?

The much better CC1 is not that much more expensive than the Silvia, and very close to the same price as a Silvia with PID.  If you can't afford a CC1 or better, the best alternative is a Gaggia Classic or Baby. Neither is any better than the Silvia, but neither is really any worse, and both are less expensive.

If I'm not mistaken, SCG still offers the CC1 + Vario combination as a package for $1000USD.  What's involved in getting something like that to Canada, I don't know.  In any case, you should CALL (and NOT e-mail) idrinkcoffee.com and ask Slawa for the best deal he can give you on the same setup.  

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