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alicia454
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Posted Thu Mar 27, 2014, 3:45am
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I just picked up a cheap Saeco Odea Go Plus on sale to feed my espresso addiction at home.

This fully automated machine has a built-in grinder, and based on my research people are advising to only use "dry" beans, since the oily beans seem to clog up the grinder unit.

But as a total newbie who never made espresso before, I have no idea which whole beans to get, and how to determine how oily or dry they are.  Any recommendations please?  I like a strong espresso with a good caffeine hit, and not too bitter.   Thanks.
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Posted Thu Mar 27, 2014, 5:02am
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Most of the quality roasters don't roast their espresso beans dark enough to make them oily.  I can tell you from experience the espresso blends from Fair Mountain, Metropolis (Redline) and Redbird are not dark and oily.
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Posted Thu Mar 27, 2014, 5:32am
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You want to stay more around a medium roast for a superauto to a little darker, any more and the beans start to show oil and will gum up the internals. However don't take this the wrong way, but that Saeco or really any superauto doesn't make espresso, sure there's an espresso option and it will pull into a small shot glass, it just won't taste good at all, just inherent to the superauto design. Even a $3k Monza superauto makes poor espresso vs a cheap semi-auto setup. If you use a superauto better to stick to the larger drink options and milk based than espresso.

Seems you really like espresso, you'd be far better off returning that machine and picking up an semi-auto and separate grinder.
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Posted Thu Mar 27, 2014, 6:58am
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+1, and +1 on the above replies you've gotten thus far.

regarding whether you should stick with the super-auto or get separates that give you total control, as Chris suggested...do you like the coffees from *$$ and McD's? They both use very high end superautos, so other than not having the charred ash taste from *$$, you're not going to be able to match thier "quality" (for lack of a better word)...unless you take Chris' advice and get separates (which will allow you to far surpass the drinks you'd buy at those places - and most others to be honest). The downside is that once you get even pretty decent at making your own at home, you have trouble finding anything drinkable when away from home.  It's a little more work, and there's a learning curve, but it's certainly something that anyone can learn to do...and in my opinion, very, very well worth the effort.  If you cook your own food, especially if you make at least some things from scratch, you'll appreciate the quality and find it worthwhile as well.

Regarding telling if beans are oily or dry, it's pretty darn easy.  Beans that are oily have a very shiny surface and are slippery in the hand, while dry beans have a very dull surface. Also, oily beans are very dark in color, almost black, while non-oily beans are clearly brown.

 
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Posted Thu Mar 27, 2014, 4:55pm
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you can try heartroasters.com
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Posted Thu Mar 27, 2014, 5:08pm
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Redbird is a good choice and well liked by folks here. If you want to get a pretty good deal, you can buy a five pounder for about $53 including shipping and freeze it in increments of about 1/2 or 3/4 lb. and liberate from your freezer to feed your espresso desires over a good while. Just make sure the container is completely defrosted before putting it into the machine.

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Posted Thu Mar 27, 2014, 6:52pm
Subject: Re: not oily beans to prevent grinder unit clogging
 

Thank you for everyone's helpful tips on the type of beans to get.

I wonder if my Saeco Odea Go Plus will make espresso any better than my previous method using a stovetop moka pot, using preground espresso coffee.

I also wonder how it the Saeco Odea Go Plus will do in making cappuccino's, compare to those from StarBucks which I also enjoy.

BTW, I purchased lots of jugs of distilled water for it, to avoid hard tap water taste and scaling.

I purchased my machine online for $150, which seemed like a reasonable price, and thought that an automated unit would be ideal for my busy morning routine.  However, I did not expect it to be so huge, bigger than my vacuum cleaner, and I am now also worried that the quality will also disappoint.  It is going to be a real pain to return.
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Posted Thu Mar 27, 2014, 10:16pm
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I would bet your super-auto would make better coffee just based on the principle of using freshly ground coffee. Of course, stale coffee ground to order likely won't outdo stale pre-ground by much.

I bought my Vario just to use with my moka pot to save time hand grinding; I didn't purchase an espresso machines till 3 months later after extensive research. Freshly ground quality coffee is the first step towards making good coffee for every method of coffee making; unless you want to see your inlaws squirm or something. :3
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Posted Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:09am
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SproBro Said:

I would bet your super-auto would make better coffee just based on the principle of using freshly ground coffee. Of course, stale coffee ground to order likely won't outdo stale pre-ground by much. :3

Posted March 27, 2014 link

I would have assumed that the 15bar pressure in the Saeco Odea Go Plus would extract more coffee flavour than my old moka pot.

Still I wish I did more research before spending money on this machine.
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Posted Fri Mar 28, 2014, 6:03am
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alicia454 Said:

I would have assumed that the 15bar pressure in the Saeco Odea Go Plus would extract more coffee flavour than my old moka pot.

Still I wish I did more research before spending money on this machine.

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15 bar is just a marketing gimmick, won't brew at that. I think the problem is if you really like espresso at good shops etc, yeh you'll be disappointed as even a super auto costing thousands pales against a cheap semi-auto and separate grinder. Even a $10k+ commercial one can't compete with a setup costing under a grand. Have a friend that had a Jura C9 and thought the coffee was barely passable and that was almost 2 grand. Superautos just can't make espresso, they have poor grinders built in, they don't tamp right, and their doses for grounds and water for a shot are out of wack, and they don't hit the right temps or temp stability. Why "espresso" option on them ends up being more like a gushing channeling pour in 15 seconds. Their all about convenience which some people want and not care of the coffee quality, just push a button and your off. But even if you like milk based drinks a semi-auto will be far better as well. If you want to keep the machine though your better off sticking with the larger cup options and milk drink options on it, but who knows, you may like it's version of "espresso" ;) lol .... any upgrade from preground is a good thing ;)

Actually with fresh beans and a good grinder, your Moka would make far better cups. Fresh beans and grinder are more important than the actual machine. Only time I use preground in my Moka is when making Cuban style with Pilon or Bustelo, and creating the sugar froth to mix with it. Growing up in South FL its a staple ha.
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