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DeanOK
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Posted Thu May 22, 2014, 8:25pm
Subject: I want a new Forte.... but I dont think I should....
 

I have a Vario W. I imagine I would stay with weight even if I bought the Forte... but for some reason I want a Forte even though the burrs are exactly the same.

I don't think there is any improvement in grind quality going to come from a switch. I just like the more substantial adjustment levers.
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Posted Thu May 22, 2014, 10:45pm
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The Forte is substantially better in almost all other respects.  IMO, the extra ~$200 ($700-$750 street price) is worth the extra 4 lbs of steel, the improved fit and finish, and the extra 100 watts of power over the Vario-W (which is has 154 watts motor).    It is really a fantastic grinder all around and built to last.

Unfortunately you already have the Vario-W, so it's probably not enough to warrant upgrading, IMO, unless you are for some reason unhappy with the Vario-W.
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Posted Fri May 23, 2014, 5:11am
Subject: Re: I want a new Forte.... but I dont think I should....
 

If you have counter space, sell your grinder, take the money and add to it and get into a quality commercial grinder, the improvement will be huge, much more than moving to another home grinder.  Just saying, YMMV

 
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Posted Fri May 23, 2014, 10:54am
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I agree. You're "upgrading" for aesthetics and presumed longevity.  If you're going to spend the extra money ensure you're getting noticeable better quality in the cup as well.
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Posted Fri May 23, 2014, 6:14pm
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I like the grind by weight feature of the VW. Is there a higher quality grinder that offers that feature built in?
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Posted Fri May 23, 2014, 8:08pm
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I don't think any have the built in scale for the bin weighing. IMO I would use the money towards an HG-One instead, you'll be getting a Titan Conical, and just weigh your beans and dump in to grind, but that's just me.
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Posted Fri May 23, 2014, 8:18pm
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z0mbie Said:

The Forte is substantially better in almost all other respects.  IMO, the extra ~$200 ($700-$750 street price) is worth the extra 4 lbs of steel, the improved fit and finish, and the extra 100 watts of power over the Vario-W (which is has 154 watts motor).    It is really a fantastic grinder all around and built to last.

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$700--$750 street price? What street is that? Cheapest I can find a new one is $839 on eBay.
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Posted Sat May 24, 2014, 7:57am
Subject: Re: I want a new Forte.... but I dont think I should....
 

You're not going to beat the Vario's quality in the cup for espresso by much with any new, motor-driven grinder for $850; and you won't get near its convenience and user friendliness at damn near any price.

I understand wanting the Forte, but until you break the Vario it doesn't make sense as an economic proposition.  But hobbies aren't economics.  In a way it's kind of like the built-in scale.  It adversely affects espresso work flow and quality compared to time-dosing and using the forks, at least for most of us; but if you like it, who's to say you're wrong?  Certainly not me.

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