CMIN Senior Member Joined: 14 Jun 2012 Posts: 1,362 Location: South FL Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: Crossland CC1 Grinder: Baratza Preciso
Posted Fri Jun 20, 2014, 5:49am Subject: Re: Baratza Encore: Worth it for all brew methods
Umm no. Encore is only good for coarse. Preciso is their entry level espresso grinder which has the micro adjustment, Encore is just macro with large steps and burr set isn't geared towards espresso. Virtuoso isn't even good for espresso even though it has the same burr set as the Preciso, b/c it's only macro stepped. I'm always using the micro on my Preciso to dial in. I've used it and liked it but only for coarse, the espresso settings are more like for pressurized portafilter machines.
The Preciso and Vario are the only true full gamut grinders, but not good to use either like that, as the switching back and forth will put a ton of stress on them, best left to one or the other. The Forte though is a lot more stout and can handle the switching easily, cost a lot more though.
calblacksmith Moderator Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 7,722 Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A. Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32 Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major Vac Pot: 40s era Silex Drip: Msl. Com. brewers Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Fri Jun 20, 2014, 6:39am Subject: Re: Baratza Encore: Worth it for all brew methods
What do you have to loose? How about what you paid for it. Like above, I do not see it performing properly for espresso if that is your main goal I am a firm believer in dedicated grinders. Espresso requires it's own KIND of grind which is basically different than other brew methods. Just going fine is not all there is to it. If you want to buy the Encore for all methods OTHER than espresso, you will likely be OK but other brew methods is just like espresso when it comes to grinding. You NEED a good grinder, it is the BIGGEST contribution to a good cup.... look to buy the best that you can afford then aim the sights up to the next level until it HURTS, in the long run this is the LEAST expensive way to buy a grinder. YMMV!
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I couldn't agree more! Further, I believe there are no grinders on the market that are suited to perform well for all brew methods. To clarify, rather than saying you couldn't get very good coffee using any method from a single grinder, what I mean is that you can't comfortably switch back and forth between all different brew methods on a single grinder. I find this especially true when you leave an espresso setting and try to return to it. I should also say, this is based on my experience with less than 10 different grinders...and there are people out there who've used far more than that...but with very rare exception, they all say the same thing. You're a "professional"...how many multitask grinders do you have in your cafe?
If you want to buy the Encore for all methods OTHER than espresso, you will likely be OK but other brew methods is just like espresso when it comes to grinding. You NEED a good grinder, it is the BIGGEST contribution to a good cup.... look to buy the best that you can afford then aim the sights up to the next level until it HURTS, in the long run this is the LEAST expensive way to buy a grinder. YMMV!
I agree with this too. Get yourself something better for espresso preparation. For other brew methods...if you can't afford a Virtuoso, then get the Encore. (This comment is under the assumption that you are only considering Baratza grinders.)
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RayTCoffeeGuy Junior Member Joined: 1 Jun 2014 Posts: 70 Location: For My Safety, Its Empty
Posted Mon Jun 23, 2014, 8:25am Subject: Re: Baratza Encore: Worth it for all brew methods
Sure, dedicated grinders are great for espresso.
But, when you'd need a multipurpose grinder then it's more economical to find one thats stepless for a better range of grind and one that's fully capable of being extremely consistent on both the fine and coarse end.
(Remember, I'm just looking for a multi-purpose grinder)
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An economical grinder consistent on both ends of the spectrum? Dude, you really need to do some more research! Even Baratza acknowledges that a different burr set is needed for espresso than other brew methods if you're wanting very good espresso- note that they sell the Forte with two different burr sets, one for espresso, one for other. There's a reason for that. And economical for both? There's also a reason or five why they came out with the Forte- one of which I would venture to say is the lack of consistency when going back and forth on the Vario between drip and espresso. You can't have economical AND great, sorry.
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