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Paullovescoffee
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Posted Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:14pm
Subject: help please: first time grinder purchase.  MAZZER!
 

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Hi guys,
I would greatly appreciate some of your knowledge and expertise.  I have the opportunity to buy a used mazzer.  The seller,  however,  annoyingly does not seem to know full specs on the modelor even what model it is.  I will be able to look at it in person,  luckily, but if anyone could give me any feedback as to what model it might be and whether it looks in good condition,  if it's a good deal,  etc.  The burrs were apparently changed ionly a few months ago.
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Posted Fri Jun 20, 2014, 1:49pm
Subject: Re: help please: first time grinder purchase.  MAZZER!
 

Whether that's a good deal or not will depend on which model it is.  If it doesn't run well (independent of burr age), it's not worth it to me. Seems to be a manual version of whatever model it is.  There will be a badge on it somewhere showing model and serial number...possibly even on the bottom plate. If it runs smoothly it'll probably last decades. Personally, I (this is just my own opinion) think that's too much for a used Mini.  Perhaps a decent price for a Super Jolly, and a good price for a Major (assuming it's a flat burr model). I'm not an expert though, and there are members here who seem to buy these used and refurbish them just for the fun of it.  One in particular who comes to mind is "calblacksmith".  Keep an eye out for his reply.

 
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Posted Sun Jun 22, 2014, 9:26am
Subject: Re: help please: first time grinder purchase.  MAZZER!
 

The photos are pretty bad, no detail.
The maker ID will be on a sticker on the left side of the machine near the front as you look at it on the counter.
That is WAY too much for a mini (if the exchange rate is close to 2:1 that I remember that it was the last time I checked... a while ago)
For a Super Jolly, you are getting near the NEW price for one in the U.S.
For a Major, that is a good price.
They are all built like brick out houses (really strong) and if in good condition, they will last many years in the home with little to do on them except for a change of burrs.

Prices in the U.S. for SJ, range from $50 for ugly old generation but working very well (needing burrs), ex coffee shop grinders too about $350 to $400 for new model or rebuilt older model good looking grinders. The market price does go up and down, not long ago a good SJ in good shape was $500 the market has gone down a little.

Turn it on, the motor should run smooth and without bearing noise. When it turns off, it should coast to a stop rater than stopping quickly (no beans in the grinder). The electrics are very simple for manual grinders, a relay, switch and a few wires pretty much is it. The Automatic version has 2 micro switches in addition to the base grinder, one in the bottom of the doser to turn the grinder on after a few pulls of the lever and one at the top of the doser to shut it off when the doser is full.

Things have changed in the way we think about grinders, a full doser is a bad thing, the coffee is going stale the whole time it is in there. Coffee tends to go stale very quickly when ground, about 15 minutes so a doser full of ground coffee is not a good thing. When I get an Automatic grinder, I remove the microswitches and rewire it to operate as a manual grinder. Automatic is not a good thing. The counter on the grinder if it has one, is meaningless, it is there only for reference to the shop owner so they can see how many times the lever was pulled that day. It does not reset and in no way does it represent anything about how many times the lever has been pulled in the life of the grinder.

 
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Posted Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:02am
Subject: Re: help please: first time grinder purchase.  MAZZER!
 

Looks too tall for an SJ (I had 2).
Not sure if it's a Major, though.

 
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Posted Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:59am
Subject: Re: help please: first time grinder purchase.  MAZZER!
 

Not a Major - no side vents on the body.

 
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Posted Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:08pm
Subject: Re: help please: first time grinder purchase.  MAZZER!
 

I was under the impression that the easy way to tell a Major from a SJ by looking at the body is that the Major has vents on the side of the body but the SJ does not. Also the proportion of size that the switch represents to the total body height. Take a look at this photo from H-B:

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From that photo, the switch-to-body ratio on the SJ is about 1:7, but on the Major is about 1:8

From the photo the OP pointed to (rather poor photos), it looks like the ratio is about 1:5.5, which would be much closer to a Mini, as shown in the photo on the WLL site:

http://www.wholelattelove.com/Mazzer/mini.cfm

Also it does not have vents. I's say more likely a Mini but the body looks more like a SJ. The quality of the photo makes it difficult.

 
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Posted Sun Jun 22, 2014, 7:26pm
Subject: Re: help please: first time grinder purchase.  MAZZER!
 

Without a point of reference, it is very hard to see the difference between the models in bad photos.
The Major has cooling slits in the side of the body and is about 2 inches taller than the SJ.
The SJ is about 2 inches taller than the mini.
The doser changes sizes to stay about the same size scale wise between the grinders.

I did not see any slits in the body so I doubt it is a Major, the SJ comes with the cone hopper while the mini is very often seen with the smaller bowl shaped bean hopper.

If I had to make a choice without knowing any more about it, I would guess SJ.

 
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