kimpang76 Senior Member Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 1 Location: malaysia Expertise: I like coffee
Posted Sat Mar 17, 2007, 7:32pm Subject: What is the differents between latte art in cappuccino and latte?
I am so confuse that what's the different between the two? Is the milk foam on top of cappuccino thicker than latte? I tried to make latte art with very thick milk foam, it can be done but the shape is very hard to control and only a thin fern leaf shape can be done.
JarrettH Senior Member Joined: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 68 Location: Ontario Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Sun Mar 18, 2007, 9:54am Subject: Re: What is the differents between latte art in cappuccino and latte?
I think it's the same, except for capu the milk is denser because you don't want as much milk to pour. You can see how it's going to turn out (capu or latte) as you pour it.
Kwax Senior Member Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 90 Location: Sydney Expertise: I live coffee
Posted Fri Mar 30, 2007, 5:50pm Subject: Re: What is the differents between latte art in cappuccino and latte?
Everytime i try latte art with cappa, i get milk melting over the sides , so most the time im passing up lattes in cappa cups just for the sake for practicing my rossetta and hoping the customer forgets what they orderd because it looks to good to give back.
Trevorhyam Senior Member Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 4 Location: Cardiff UK Expertise: Pro Barista
Espresso: Work: ancient Ducale 2... Grinder: Work: La Spaziale Astro 12....
Posted Fri Apr 6, 2007, 11:00am Subject: Re: What is the differents between latte art in cappuccino and latte?
Ah! a fine question! one that troubles me too... personally, at present, i only pour latte art on my caffe lattes, because i find that quite 'hard' milk - with minimum air injected - is the best for pouring really stunning latte art designs - but when you use this type of milk, there's not really enough foam in the milk to produce what most people would accept as a proper cappuccino. i prefer to present my cappuccinos with just a clean, pure white dome of dense, microfoamed milk, with just a thin, neat ring of the brown crema around the edge - and with about 1/2 - 1/3rd of the cup being foam. but i know a lot of pro baristi disagree, and pour their cappuccinos with latte art on too. but then i think it becomes hard to distinguish between the two (for customers as well) - so i like to avoid getting into that grey area, and as i said, for the very best latte art, you need very little air in the milk which is not really suited to cappuccino...
John_Manzo Senior Member Joined: 5 Aug 2005 Posts: 305 Location: Calgary Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Elektra Microcasa a Leva,... Grinder: Baratza Vario Vac Pot: none Drip: presspot Roaster: nada (yet)
Posted Fri Apr 6, 2007, 11:59am Subject: Re: What is the differents between latte art in cappuccino and latte?
Honestly, I think the only practical difference between a cappo and a latte- bearing in mind that this is a very subjective thing- is size and the consequent proportion between milk and espresso. Latte has more milk, cappo has less and is thus smaller, both should have silky microfoam. I like to get art in a cappo because it means the milk hasn't been overstretched and is not stiff- same with a macchiato. I never drink "lattes" but if I ever ran a shop the only difference among them would be size.
Trevorhyam Senior Member Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 4 Location: Cardiff UK Expertise: Pro Barista
Espresso: Work: ancient Ducale 2... Grinder: Work: La Spaziale Astro 12....
Posted Fri Apr 6, 2007, 12:28pm Subject: Re: What is the differents between latte art in cappuccino and latte?
...I'm not sure if cappuccinos need necessarily be smaller than lattes - they can both be the same size; it's perhaps not so much the volume of the drink that's less in a cappuccino, rather the amount of foam that is more in relation to rest of the drink once the milk has separated (in the cup - not the pitcher, of course!). And of course, all espresso drinks should be made with microfoam and not overstretched. People quote all sorts of ratios for the perfect cappuccino, but as you say, it's all a bit subjective.
And this all raises a very interesting point - what is a caffe latte? Is it actually just a more recent american invention? In italy, would what we generally serve here as lattes simply be an individually tailored less-foam cappuccino? Does it matter that that this relatively new cuisine is constantly evolving and defies any sort of universal agreement? Of course not, to this last point; it's all good, so long as the drinks are being properly made by people who care about quality and skill - but it is frustrating when there are no set benchmarks! Bye!
JV Senior Member Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 167 Location: Maryland - Baltimore City Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: La Marzocco 2EE, Brasilia... Grinder: Mazzer Major, Mahlkoenig... Drip: French Press
Posted Mon Apr 9, 2007, 6:38am Subject: Re: What is the differents between latte art in cappuccino and latte?
kimpang76 Said:
I am so confuse that what's the different between the two? Is the milk foam on top of cappuccino thicker than latte? I tried to make latte art with very thick milk foam, it can be done but the shape is very hard to control and only a thin fern leaf shape can be done.
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