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Posted Thu Aug 2, 2012, 7:50pm
Subject: Re: slight issue with older Olympia Cremina
 

Whoops ed, I somehow missed your post. MY BAD. :>D

 
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Posted Fri Aug 3, 2012, 1:34pm
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I also experienced water shooting out the side of the screen, I found that the screen was not installed deep or tight enough onto the cylinder.  The screen on mine is really really tight and I couldn't feel the usual snap that most owners should feel when snapping the screen back on.  From a side view, I saw that the screen was not level to the group head.  What I did was to use the bottom of my flat tamper to help push the screen in.  I actually tried various methods and finally thought of the tamper but, even then, it was difficult to know if the screen went in deep enough.

Yes, as everyone mentioned, you need to know the pressure reading of that boiler.  I would lower it to a peak of 0.95 bar or so per Rob's recommendation.  I also recommend that you figure out a way to read the group head's temperature per Gene's suggestion.  This is one machine that I am still learning after about 3 months of usage.
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Posted Fri Aug 3, 2012, 1:59pm
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Cafedenda Said:

I also experienced water shooting out the side of the screen, I found that the screen was not installed deep or tight enough onto the cylinder.  The screen on mine is really really tight and I couldn't feel the usual snap that most owners should feel when snapping the screen back on.  From a side view, I saw that the screen was not level to the group head.  What I did was to use the bottom of my flat tamper to help push the screen in.  I actually tried various methods and finally thought of the tamper but, even then, it was difficult to know if the screen went in deep enough.

Yes, as everyone mentioned, you need to know the pressure reading of that boiler.  I would lower it to a peak of 0.95 bar or so per Rob's recommendation.  I also recommend that you figure out a way to read the group head's temperature per Gene's suggestion.  This is one machine that I am still learning after about 3 months of usage.

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Good stuff, thanks.
BTW, take care of that screen, I believe they about $75 to replace. Maybe more?

 
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Posted Sat Aug 4, 2012, 4:13am
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farmroast Said:

Might be worth getting a [ Click Here (www.orphanespresso.com) wand pressure gauge

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+2.

I also bought the temp strips but can't bring myself to sticking them on the group, thereby detracting from the aesthetics.

 
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Posted Sat Aug 4, 2012, 7:03am
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thanks for all the info. ill try some of the suggestions & post the results.

1st thing im going to try is to reinstall my screen (eventhough it snapped into place the first time & feels tight)

it seems all the spraying happens only when i lift the lever all the way to the top.
When i lift  just past half way, i get a pretty uniformed shower coming through the screen.
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Posted Sat Aug 4, 2012, 8:40am
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I'm going to go another way with this. My first question when I read this was, "So what's the problem?" My Cremina spits water and steam when I lit the lever with out the portafilter in place. My next question was, "Why?"

Looking at the system your boiler is producing water that is some temperature above the flash point of water at atmospheric pressure (the .65 - .9 are bar pressure above atmospheric). As it exits the boiler it enters an open system, the chamber between the piston and the screen. Some of that water flashes to steam as the water and steam mixture quickly exits the dispersion screen. There isn't much chance for contact with the walls of the group for the transfer of heat to cool the water/steam down below atmospheric flash point. With the portafilter in place packed with coffee the water enters the chamber and builds up pressure against the coffee (raising the flashpoint) and at the same time the flow rate goes to zero allowing the water/steam mixture to transfer heat into the group and cool to less than atmospheric flashpoint. You press the water through the coffee and it comes out as espresso.

I will recommend you invest in OE's wand gauge to set your Pstat and I know Doug in one of his Cremina videos shows exactly which way to rotate the adjustment nut but if you pull of the case and fire it up (Careful with the exposed wiring) you can see the pstat working and figure out the correct adjustment.

Finally I'll ask, "How's the coffee?"
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Posted Sat Aug 4, 2012, 9:24am
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coffee tastes good. But with less of a  syrupy texture & less crema than my HX 61 group machine.

If my La Pavoni spit out water  the same way as my Cremina, i never would have bothered posting, but there a noticable difference.

without PF in place

La Pavoni- a little spiting & some hissing

Cremina-sounds & looks like cold water being poured onto a dry pot that been over the fire for awhile

thanks for the tips
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Posted Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:33am
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Get OE wand pressure gauge so you can setup your boiler pressure correctly.

 
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Posted Sat Aug 4, 2012, 11:01am
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scottyg514 Said:

coffee tastes good. But with less of a  syrupy texture & less crema than my HX 61 group machine.

Posted August 4, 2012 link

Well,, shots from a lever can and usually do differ in density and crema yield from those of a HX or DB.
Most lever heads are not crema-heads. LOL
I savor the layers of flavor and subtleties I get from my Cremina I didn't quite get from 4 years with my Anita, a GREAT HX machine.
The shots from Anita were very satisfying, I just wanted  to try the lever experience, and since then have never looked back.

Maybe you're expecting too much?

First off, get the gauge and make sure you're dialed in.
The only other thing could be your group gasket was inserted upside down.

 
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Posted Mon Aug 6, 2012, 4:44am
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I think I figured it out. I took a closer look at the dispersion screen & it has a few open slits on the edge that the water shoots through when flowing through the group.
Not sure of the purpose of these slits. Maybe to make snapping it on & off a little easier  or maybe purposely wanting to make the heated water shoot sideways to heat the inside of the bell?

Thanks for all the input.
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