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BLrdFX
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Posted Sun Nov 18, 2012, 7:43pm
Subject: Re: Londinium
 

redpig Said:

FWIW, I have one on order, and I'm happy to report duty fees or any other experiences when it arrives.  I did need to tell my bank the order wasn't fraudulent :)

Posted November 7, 2012 link

Not only would I be very interested in the taxes/fees for the import but anything you find out about the machine that is not apparent in the Posts on the various Threads.

The scace thing would just be interesting but certainly not worth buying one!  I thought you might have access to borrow one.  As for the Bosco spring, is it a single spring???  Will the L-1 be a single spring???  I am not sure why some groups have 2 springs and others have 1 spring.

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Posted Tue Nov 20, 2012, 2:02pm
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the circa 6.55bar single spring value is the maximum value of the dynamic pressure that was observed

the circa 11 bar value for the twin spring is a static value

the static value for the single spring is 9 bar

the maximum dynamic value for the twin spring is greater than 6.55bar, but only slightly (remember this dynamic figure is governed by the pressure that the coffee can hold back before water starts to flow through the puck) & only right at the start of the extraction

the value of a twin spring is that it handles up-dosing (i.e. >16g) better

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Posted Tue Nov 20, 2012, 6:08pm
Subject: Re: Londinium
 

can't wait for a review, take lots of pictures please!
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Posted Tue Nov 20, 2012, 7:47pm
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I am seriously considering importing a Londinium 1 to New Zealand so I have been looking into the Duty and Taxes that would be applicable.

I know every country is different and the shipping costs are likely to be completely different between NZ and the USA but this is what I have been quoted...

Duty calculation

Original value 1,799.47 GBP, Converted to NZ$ value (at a 0.5 exchange rate) = NZ$3598.94

Freight 161.27 GBP, Converted to NZ$ value = NZ$322.54

Duty is calculated at 0.05 of the original value = NZ$179.95

Goods and Services Tax is then calculated on the original value + duty + freight costs at a rate of 0.15
= (3598.94 + 322.54 + 179.95) * 0.15 = NZ$615.21

Giving a Sub total of (179.95 + 615.21) = NZ$795.16

PLUS... an Import entry transaction fee of NZ$25.30

PLUS... a Ministry for Primary Industries biosecurity system entry levy of NZ$12.77

Giving a final Estimated cost of NZ$833.23 for Tax, Duty and Fees

or a landed in my home ready to make amazing coffee cost of (3598.94 + 322.54 + 833.23) = NZ$4754.71

I have exchanged a couple of emails with Reiss and he seemed to think that there was no import duty on coffee machines into New Zealand so I have emailed NZ Customs to double check with them, but so far I haven't had a response to my question.
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Posted Tue Nov 20, 2012, 9:00pm
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It will also be interesting to see what that bottom line figure is here in the USA.  Curious minds need to know!
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Posted Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:28pm
Subject: Re: Londinium
 

BLrdFX Said:

It will also be interesting to see what that bottom line figure is here in the USA.  Curious minds need to know!

Posted November 20, 2012 link

Harmonized Tariff Schedule online makes it look like a 3.7% tariff.  I'm guessing ~$100 for duty+fees without any local accommodations.  Here's hoping I know this week! :)  

1- Click Here (www.usitc.gov)

appleica Said:

can't wait for a review, take lots of pictures please!

Posted November 20, 2012 link

I will, and I know others will too!

rgunson Said:

the value of a twin spring is that it handles up-dosing (i.e. >16g) better

Posted November 20, 2012 link

Awesome info! Will a longer preinfusion offset initial spring differences? I usually don't updose, but your description made me curious about how it might be approached.

cheers! will
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Posted Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:47pm
Subject: Re: Londinium
 

Redpig;

Thanks for the thoughts/Links for the USA tariffs.

Also for the question about the updosing compensation.  I use an 18gr in the morning, on my GS/3, split between 2 users, plus a second 18 for myself.
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Posted Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:24pm
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you can view a short film of LONDINIUM I here;

Click Here (londiniumespresso.com)
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Posted Wed Nov 21, 2012, 3:06pm
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gorgeous video (and gorgeous machine)... I thought it was funny that while you were saying that you didn't design the londinium with a cup warmer and designed it so customers could warm their cups in 10 secs with hot water, there was a londinium sitting behind you with cups on them.  They don't get warm sitting on top of the machine like that?

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Posted Wed Nov 21, 2012, 4:32pm
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hi jim
well, they'll get warm in a while, but you'll feel yourself growing old
people need a solution to warm their cups in a snap!

you see, if you make a big old coffee flavoured milkshake, a cold cup is less of an issue as you have enough thermal mass with the significantly larger volume (200mL or more) of milk & coffee to warm the cup

but with double espresso (60mL), and even worse for single shots(just 30mL)/ristretto (even less), a cup that is even slightly too cool will wreck the shot

you need to get the cup really hot, but only fill to 10mm below the rim otherwise the rim will burn your lips, which is daft

the only way to do this is with the hot water port that we have included

& use the proper thick wall italian espresso cups with a small surface area (but with a thin rim - thick rims are unpleasant to drink from)

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