Posted Sun Nov 18, 2012, 7:43pm Subject: Re: Londinium
redpig Said:
FWIW, I have one on order, and I'm happy to report duty fees or any other experiences when it arrives. I did need to tell my bank the order wasn't fraudulent :)
Not only would I be very interested in the taxes/fees for the import but anything you find out about the machine that is not apparent in the Posts on the various Threads.
The scace thing would just be interesting but certainly not worth buying one! I thought you might have access to borrow one. As for the Bosco spring, is it a single spring??? Will the L-1 be a single spring??? I am not sure why some groups have 2 springs and others have 1 spring.
rgunson Senior Member Joined: 2 Feb 2011 Posts: 14 Location: London Expertise: Professional
Posted Tue Nov 20, 2012, 2:02pm Subject: Re: Londinium
the circa 6.55bar single spring value is the maximum value of the dynamic pressure that was observed
the circa 11 bar value for the twin spring is a static value
the static value for the single spring is 9 bar
the maximum dynamic value for the twin spring is greater than 6.55bar, but only slightly (remember this dynamic figure is governed by the pressure that the coffee can hold back before water starts to flow through the puck) & only right at the start of the extraction
the value of a twin spring is that it handles up-dosing (i.e. >16g) better
idensie Senior Member Joined: 7 Nov 2012 Posts: 9 Location: New Zealand Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Londinium I Luxe Grinder: MACAP M4D
Posted Tue Nov 20, 2012, 7:47pm Subject: Re: Londinium
I am seriously considering importing a Londinium 1 to New Zealand so I have been looking into the Duty and Taxes that would be applicable.
I know every country is different and the shipping costs are likely to be completely different between NZ and the USA but this is what I have been quoted...
Duty calculation
Original value 1,799.47 GBP, Converted to NZ$ value (at a 0.5 exchange rate) = NZ$3598.94
Freight 161.27 GBP, Converted to NZ$ value = NZ$322.54
Duty is calculated at 0.05 of the original value = NZ$179.95
Goods and Services Tax is then calculated on the original value + duty + freight costs at a rate of 0.15 = (3598.94 + 322.54 + 179.95) * 0.15 = NZ$615.21
Giving a Sub total of (179.95 + 615.21) = NZ$795.16
PLUS... an Import entry transaction fee of NZ$25.30
PLUS... a Ministry for Primary Industries biosecurity system entry levy of NZ$12.77
Giving a final Estimated cost of NZ$833.23 for Tax, Duty and Fees
or a landed in my home ready to make amazing coffee cost of (3598.94 + 322.54 + 833.23) = NZ$4754.71
I have exchanged a couple of emails with Reiss and he seemed to think that there was no import duty on coffee machines into New Zealand so I have emailed NZ Customs to double check with them, but so far I haven't had a response to my question.
Harmonized Tariff Schedule online makes it look like a 3.7% tariff. I'm guessing ~$100 for duty+fees without any local accommodations. Here's hoping I know this week! :)
Awesome info! Will a longer preinfusion offset initial spring differences? I usually don't updose, but your description made me curious about how it might be approached.
Posted Wed Nov 21, 2012, 3:06pm Subject: Re: Londinium
gorgeous video (and gorgeous machine)... I thought it was funny that while you were saying that you didn't design the londinium with a cup warmer and designed it so customers could warm their cups in 10 secs with hot water, there was a londinium sitting behind you with cups on them. They don't get warm sitting on top of the machine like that?
rgunson Senior Member Joined: 2 Feb 2011 Posts: 14 Location: London Expertise: Professional
Posted Wed Nov 21, 2012, 4:32pm Subject: Re: Londinium
hi jim well, they'll get warm in a while, but you'll feel yourself growing old people need a solution to warm their cups in a snap!
you see, if you make a big old coffee flavoured milkshake, a cold cup is less of an issue as you have enough thermal mass with the significantly larger volume (200mL or more) of milk & coffee to warm the cup
but with double espresso (60mL), and even worse for single shots(just 30mL)/ristretto (even less), a cup that is even slightly too cool will wreck the shot
you need to get the cup really hot, but only fill to 10mm below the rim otherwise the rim will burn your lips, which is daft
the only way to do this is with the hot water port that we have included
& use the proper thick wall italian espresso cups with a small surface area (but with a thin rim - thick rims are unpleasant to drink from)
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