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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 8:30am
Subject: la pavoni professional voltage
 

I'm playing with the idea of ordering a la pavoni professional from this site:

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I'm wondering if I can order this with the higher voltage  (240 volt) and just convert it to an american plug?

I'm toying with this idea so that it heats up quicker and so it recovers quicker, etc.

Is this ok to do?
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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 8:38am
Subject: Re: la pavoni professional voltage
 

joe_puller Said:

I'm playing with the idea of ordering a la pavoni professional from this site:

Click Here (www.aboutespresso.com)

I'm wondering if I can order this with the higher voltage  (240 volt) and just convert it to an american plug?

I'm toying with this idea so that it heats up quicker and so it recovers quicker, etc.

Is this ok to do?

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I have an old vintage pavoni lever, euro voltage config.  I use a step up transformer to convert the US voltage to euro.  Works great.  Just do a search on ebay for step up/down transformers.  You need a high wattage one.

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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 9:45am
Subject: Re: la pavoni professional voltage
 

Step up/down?  Not sure it's worth it to do this to a new machine.  Would I get the same power in the machine?  Or would this transformer just power the higher voltage machine down to the 110 volt US power usage?
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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:15am
Subject: Re: la pavoni professional voltage
 

The transformer steps up the U.S. Voltage to 240 volts for the euro machine.  If you were in Europe you can reverse the transformer to step down the voltage to U.S. 120 volts.  Pretty nifty piece of equipment, and very heavy.

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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 2:52pm
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Why not just order it in 110v for 20 Euros more? The LP Professional has plenty of power for fast heat-up (under 8 minutes) and steam pressure (great microfoam). The price seems good unless the shipping, VAT and customs get heavy.
I just saw a pile of 220v lever machines from Italy sell on ebay for good prices. I wish I thought of the step-down transformer then.
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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 3:37pm
Subject: Re: la pavoni professional voltage
 

Joe_puller,

If you ordered a 240 V La Pavoni and tried to run it off of 120 V without a step-up transformer, it would heat up slower instead of faster because the heating element for the 240 V machine has a higher resistance to use the same power at the higher voltage.  I would recommend just getting a 120 V La Pavoni unless you are planning on eventually moving to a country with a higher voltage standard.

Any money you save with a 240 V machine will be more than eaten up with costs for a step-up transformer.

 
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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 4:45pm
Subject: Re: la pavoni professional voltage
 

yakster Said:

Joe_puller,

If you ordered a 240 V La Pavoni and tried to run it off of 120 V without a step-up transformer, it would heat up slower instead of faster because the heating element for the 240 V machine has a higher resistance to use the same power at the higher voltage.  I would recommend just getting a 120 V La Pavoni unless you are planning on eventually moving to a country with a higher voltage standard.

Any money you save with a 240 V machine will be more than eaten up with costs for a step-up transformer.

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Beautiful, thanks Yak!

I'm just doing some research to upgrade so I really appreciate the input.

-Joe
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Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013, 9:36pm
Subject: Re: la pavoni professional voltage
 

I agree that a 240v element run at 120v without a step up converter will heat more slowly than a 110v element run at 110v.  I have both 220 and 110 elements for my Caravel and they behave as such.  

joe_puller Said:

I'm toying with this idea so that it heats up quicker and so it recovers quicker, etc.

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What are your concerns about "recovery"?  LPs (and Creminas) use the mass of the group to cool the hot boiler water down to shot temp, and once you start the pull the shot water is cut off from the boiler.  As far as pulling shots in rapid succession is concerned, your real focus is on keeping the temperature of the group down - it heats up with every shot and the thermal behavior after that varies with each model/revision.  

If you're worried about "recovery" after/while steaming, you should considered a vintage two stage ("1 or 2")  Europiccola.  They heat up fast and can run hot for more steam.  The really old ones with the larger group and polished brass boiler cap usually have a "1 or 1+2" heating element, heat up super fast, and can really blast the steam - by La Pavoni standards at least.  The addition of a pressure gauge and a group thermometer makes these very capable and useable machines.
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