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superduper
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Posted Sat Jan 4, 2014, 9:55am
Subject: 230V La Pavoni running at 120V?
 

Hello all,

I have found a La Pavoni Europiccola made in 2000 that I am planning to buy.  However it is a 230V european model, and I am currently living in the US. From what I can gather, the Europiccola's only electronic component is the hot water heater.  Can anyone confirm this?  

If this is true, could I theoretically plug it into a 120V outlet and have it work at half power?  Would it ever reach full temperature?

Thank you all!
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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 6:47am
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Actually it would run at 1/4 power, and take a really long time to heat up.  Steaming would also be a problem, as the heating element would not be able to cope with the heat load.
Best to replace the element, 2 prong costing  around $100.
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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 7:33am
Subject: Re: 230V La Pavoni running at 120V?
 

I have a vintage La pavoni euro 230volt and run a step up/down transformer with it.  No rewiring needed.  You can buy the transformers from many dealers on ebay.

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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:25pm
Subject: Re: 230V La Pavoni running at 120V?
 

hankbates Said:

Actually it would run at 1/4 power, and take a really long time to heat up.  Steaming would also be a problem, as the heating element would not be able to cope with the heat load.
Best to replace the element, 2 prong costing  around $100.

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Dumb question, but what is the difference between the 2 prong and the 4 prong heaters? Is there an advantage of having one over the other? Will either heater fit in the model I'm looking to buy?

CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

I have a vintage La pavoni euro 230volt and run a step up/down transformer with it.  No rewiring needed.  You can buy the transformers from many dealers on ebay.

Len

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I was thinking about doing this, but a 10 amp step-down converter is big and ugly.  I don't have a lot of counter space and the wife would never agree to having one in the kitchen!

Thanks all!
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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:36pm
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superduper Said:

Dumb question, but what is the difference between the 2 prong and the 4 prong heaters? Is there an advantage of having one over the other? Will either heater fit in the model I'm looking to buy?



I was thinking about doing this, but a 10 amp step-down converter is big and ugly.  I don't have a lot of counter space and the wife would never agree to having one in the kitchen!

Thanks all!

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I put mine under the table I use for my coffee equipment, and a tablecloth does a great job hiding it all.

Len

 
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Posted Mon Jan 6, 2014, 6:43am
Subject: Re: 230V La Pavoni running at 120V?
 

2 prong heaters are used with pressurestats, 4 prong were used with pre ~1995 europiccolas and ambassadors with double (high-low) switches.  
Both will fit on your boiler, but without a double switch there is no advantage to the four prong heating element.
2 prong is cheaper, also.

Easiest solution would be the step-up transformer, but this will require more room on or under your counter.
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Posted Sun Apr 20, 2014, 9:54am
Subject: Re: 230V La Pavoni running at 120V?
 

I'm looking for anyone with experience running a European-wired Pavoni through an up-down converter.  I have a vintage 1975 Pavoni from Italy.  I've been using a 2000 W converter with excellent result.  For reasons not worth getting into, I need another converter for the same machine.  I want to get the smallest converter that will do the job well.  I would like to avoid getting another 2000 W converter, because they are enormous and expensive.  Does anyone know if a 1500 W converter would do the job just as well?
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