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Posted Tue Apr 5, 2011, 12:16pm
Subject: Auber Inst vs PIDSILVIA?
 

Looking for PID kits for my Silvia. I know Watlow is popular as well, but pricey. I dont want to have to program a raw PID so I'd prefer a kit. Any opinions on these two resources?
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Posted Tue Apr 5, 2011, 2:07pm
Subject: Re: Auber Inst vs PIDSILVIA?
 

I purchase from Auber all the time.  I give the company 2 thumps up.  I purchase PIDs, thermocouples, and SSRs.  

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Posted Tue Apr 5, 2011, 2:35pm
Subject: Re: Auber Inst vs PIDSILVIA?
 

Better PIDs have "Autotune." They learn on their own what works best. Basically run the auto tune, the PID programs itself, and that's it!

 
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Posted Tue Apr 5, 2011, 5:02pm
Subject: Re: Auber Inst vs PIDSILVIA?
 

So, who's selling auto tune PIDs?
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Posted Tue Apr 5, 2011, 5:17pm
Subject: Re: Auber Inst vs PIDSILVIA?
 

Some of the best kits (Watlow) can be found at pidkits.com, MLG Inc.

 
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Posted Tue Apr 5, 2011, 5:35pm
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Auber's PIDs have an autotune function, and I wouldn't be surprised if Watlow and Fuji do too.
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Posted Tue Apr 5, 2011, 5:56pm
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Yes, Watlow has autotune.

 
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Posted Tue Apr 5, 2011, 6:13pm
Subject: Re: Auber Inst vs PIDSILVIA?
 

I have used Auber PIDs as well
They do have an auto tune function
They are inexpensive and certainly up to the task of working on a Silvia
If you are making only one cup of espresso an auto tuned PID will work fine, just let it warm up long enough
But if you need two cups at a time you will have one cold cup waiting for the boiler to re-stabilize
The Fuji and Watlow units are far superior but way over kill for your use
They have features the Auber does not have or allow you access to and you will not need to control the boiler
Pay the extra if you like
Do some extra searching on tuning the PID and you will have a much faster well controlled machine than a simple auto tuned unit
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Posted Tue Apr 5, 2011, 7:55pm
Subject: Re: Auber Inst vs PIDSILVIA?
 

I agree PIDKits is the way to go. Jim's experience and service are excellent.

I have a cheaper Delta PID and 2 Watlows The Delta and one of the Watlows are in my roaster controller, and the other Watlow runs the Solis SL-70. The Watlow documentation is far better. Regarding Autotune, I found that the autotune would allow too much overshoot, which I found took a long time to wait for the boiler temp to come back down. Tuning the PID is really not that much bother, and worth it in my opinion.

 
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Posted Tue Apr 5, 2011, 8:32pm
Subject: Re: Auber Inst vs PIDSILVIA?
 

Is there a unit that would be better at being moved to the next machine when the time comes? That machine would be a DB or HX machine. That however is a good ways off if even in the forseeable future at all.
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