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Posted Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:49am
Subject: Malfunctioning Miss Siliva Trips GFI Outlet
 

Once I turn the power on, the GFI outlet trips.

It's a 2006 model.  I bought it used from work.  It was powering on there.  When I take the top off, I only see one circuit breaker...but i can't seem to push it in (if I'm facing the machine, it's at the 6:00 position on the front vertical side of the boiler.

Any thoughts as to how I should begin troubleshooting this?  

-Michael

PS: Was expecting to replace the boiler & heater...  but before I went down that route, I was going to try a good descaling with citric acid.  Can't do that if there's no power...
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Posted Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:22pm
Subject: Re: Malfunctioning Miss Siliva Trips GFI Outlet
 

Remove both leads on the heating element, insulates them (DO NOT CONNECT THEM TOGETHER), and power it on again. if i doesn't trip the breaker, it is likely the heating element. If you want, you can connect a 500 watt light bulb in place of the heating element to put a load on the system (if you know what you are doing).

A tripped GFCI is almost always a bad heating element. All it takes is a pinhole. test it in another GFCI outlet to verify though.

 
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Posted Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:38pm
Subject: Re: Malfunctioning Miss Siliva Trips GFI Outlet
 

Wow, Thanks FRCN!

It looks like it's the boiler.  It powers up without tripping the GFI when those aren't connected.

The little plastic covers over the connectors fell apart in my hands when I pulled them off.  Any idea where to get replacements for those?

-Michael
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Posted Sat Aug 11, 2012, 7:29pm
Subject: Re: Malfunctioning Miss Siliva Trips GFI Outlet
 

It is very common for those covers to disintegrate. I do  not know of a source for them, but somehow I remember someone mentioning that they were available somewhere. Maybe just a couple of layers of heatshrink over the male ends will work for a while until you find replacements. When shopping for the boiler replacement maybe the source will have those plastic insulators.

 
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Posted Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:27am
Subject: Re: Malfunctioning Miss Siliva Trips GFI Outlet
 

I Googled "Rancilio Silvia Boiler" and "Rancilio Silvia Boiler Replacement."  I saw a number of sources for the parts.  It looks like 1st-line has everything.  Also, there's at least one YouTube video that shows how to do the replacement.  Maybe you've already looked but I thought I would point that out.

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Posted Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:08am
Subject: Re: Malfunctioning Miss Siliva Trips GFI Outlet
 

Thanks, Jim!

I've been scouring the interwebs looking for guides on this as well.  There are some great resources out there, for sure.  I've looked at a fair number of them already (and will continue to do so), but I figured it would be wise to start asking the experts...  

-Michael
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Posted Mon Aug 13, 2012, 12:43pm
Subject: Re: Malfunctioning Miss Siliva Trips GFI Outlet
 

You really don't need to leave this site to find a picture laden documentation on the rebuild of a Sylvia, just saying....
http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machinemods/547829

 
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Posted Mon Aug 13, 2012, 4:25pm
Subject: Re: Malfunctioning Miss Siliva Trips GFI Outlet
 

Thanks Calblacksmith!

I actually had read and bookmarked your thread already...and it was pretty much your careful step by step description that inspired me to take this whole thing on.  In fact, your whole rebuild is itself, inspired.

I'm afraid I won't be able to push Miss Silvia to the limits of what she can do, like you did...  but I hope that if I can restore her to working order, the budget committee (wife) will eventually free up some funds for some upgrades.  :P

One question regarding the plastic connection covers for the electrical wires.  You wrote,

All the plastic wire protection caps were brittle on the old girl so she got new connection covers, also from the donor Expobar.

I'm wondering if you know where I could source new replacements for these, what to look for, etc...  It seems like all I have to do is look at my covers and they fall apart.  

-Michael
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Posted Mon Aug 13, 2012, 9:51pm
Subject: Re: Malfunctioning Miss Siliva Trips GFI Outlet
 

mojoneill Said:

The little plastic covers over the connectors fell apart in my hands when I pulled them off.  Any idea where to get replacements for those?

Posted August 11, 2012 link

Espressoparts.com carries them.
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Posted Tue Aug 14, 2012, 7:19am
Subject: Re: Malfunctioning Miss Siliva Trips GFI Outlet
 

I'm glad that my thread took the mystery out of working on the machine. That was the reason I documented the whole process. It isn't tough if you can use a screwdriver. Take pictures as you go (digital is GREAT for this) if you think you might forget where pieces go, get some zip top bags and as you take the machine apart, put the parts in the bag and label the bags as you go.

There are a couple of tricky screws to get to but they are not so bad if you think about them a little first. I seem to remember them as the screws that hold the front sheet metal on. The screws are inside the compartment that the water tank is normally in and a short screwdriver should be all you need to reach them. (or is that a long screwdriver? LOL, check them out and see!! It has been a while!)

A few hours of work and the machine will be good as new as well as giving you a good understanding of what is going on inside the machine.

The plastic caps age quickly from the heat so your situation is perfectly normal.

 
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