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brianl
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:11pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia SBDU Preheat PID Temperature Recovery and Stability, Steam
 

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Crimping multiple wires together into one terminal.

I think I'll stick with ones you used. Maybe venture out later ha.

I am usually good with cable management. when I tackle this I'll post it.
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:20pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia SBDU Preheat PID Temperature Recovery and Stability, Steam
 

That crimp looks great.  You can do that at the ring connectors is it works, and we can figure out the back piggyback.  

I ordered the USB stuff to "play" with and my wife needed another charger and cord.

Let me know what specific supplies you get.

I will start on the connections at the PID controller and connections at the switches as time permits.

 
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:31pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia SBDU Preheat PID Temperature Recovery and Stability, Steam
 

The piggyback I have looks like I could do that crimp too-- the crimp part looks the same as the ring one used on the website Unless you can think of another reason it wouldn't.

I have a couple of the iPhone chargers around but I don't think my girlfriend would like me chopping them up ha

So far I have all solderless terminals. I think the diodes are all I'll have to solder. I wonder if the other ends of diodes can be crimped. I'll update after some googling.
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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 5:06pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia SBDU Preheat PID Temperature Recovery and Stability, Steam
 

It works, as it should.  The temperature at the charger with a thermocouple sitting on it for about 1 hr of warming 86F.  Just a warm summer house.  The charger is on the floor of the machine over the water tank, under ther heat.  I had the broken cord frm the photo prior.  An OEM IPhone charger supplies power and a generic will be tried when it arrives.  I wlll go back to my old cell phone headset charger after testing.  I used existing wires to the PID controller and SSR, so spade connectors to match.

Cord is generic USB IPhone cord, red positive 5 volts and black ground, with 26 awg and spades grafted.  Green and wires cut off at the USB cord end.

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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia SBDU Preheat PID Temperature Recovery and Stability, Steam
 

brianl Said:

So far I have all solderless terminals. I think the diodes are all I'll have to solder. I wonder if the other ends of diodes can be crimped. I'll update after some googling.

Posted February 23, 2013 link

 

Diode to wire solders very easily, solder and shrink both ends is probably easiest unless there is a handy crimp.  If you get the iron and shrink out, do both ends.

Click Here (laserpointerforums.com)

Don't fry the diode!  I solder them often. without difficulty, with the diode wire cut to about 1/2".  There may still be diode crimps available.

 
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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 6:02pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia SBDU Preheat PID Temperature Recovery and Stability, Steam
 

So I need the following from AUBER? I only ask because this PID controller says that it can be one PID and one alarm or two alarms. Don't we want one PID and two alarms?

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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 8:53pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia SBDU Preheat PID Temperature Recovery and Stability, Steam
 

Yes, those parts!  Now you can see why I do not like to try to tell someone whether a PID controller on Ebay will work.  The wording can be confusing.  The features noted; PID control output as either relay contact or SSR and two contact relays can be as one PID and one alarm output,  dual alarm outputs, or dual on/off control.  I could read 2 or 3 controls in there.

Look at the instruction manual.  Actually it is good to start reading the manual, available for that one on the Auber site.  Specifically on page 2 bottom R, Note 2, "outy" 2 is J1 and J2 as alarms and SSR PID control output.  Then look at figure 10 with SSR output and 2 alarms.  Also, I am actually using it, but you are probably just trying to confirm that  :)

 
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Posted Mon Feb 25, 2013, 9:26am
Subject: Re: Gaggia SBDU Preheat PID Temperature Recovery and Stability, Steam
 

I need a minimal multimeter that will get the job done.

Would this one be okay or do you have something else I should look at?

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thanks again.

I received these diodes: Click Here (www.ebay.com)

The side with the silver band is the cathode, right? This is the side that will be soldered to the connector that will attach to the SSR? Because the flow of current is from the anode to the cathode?
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Posted Mon Feb 25, 2013, 7:14pm
Subject: Re: Gaggia SBDU Preheat PID Temperature Recovery and Stability, Steam
 

The meter is probably ok.  I can't confirm continuity testing on it??  This one has it.

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Diodes look fine.  Yes, band is SSR side, not PID side.

I am not sure why you might solder one end of the diode and not the other???  If there is a good crimp it should work on both ends.

 
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Posted Mon Feb 25, 2013, 8:52pm
Subject: Re:  PID Controller supplies and How To Install PID on Gaggia
 

Back to the install.  Looking at the install from the incoming plug, the back inside of the machine, machine is new configuration late 2011.  If you have different year models then the colors of wires and order of the plugs on switches and rear incoming AC may be different.

This is also mentioned in Auber install guides, and well photographed.


brianl Said:

this is the instructions that I've reviewed.

Click Here (www.afonic.org)

Posted February 20, 2013 link

At the rear incoming supply, the power cable will be tapped by piggyback.  The tap is for power to PID controller and for power to AC to DC power supply(s), 3 leads as done.  The piggyback spade will provide a male leg to reattach the machine main lead, and a tap off.  To avoid a stack of piggybacks, connect the small wire leads to one leg of the piggyback, solder or crimp all into one.

 
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