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Junoh
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Posted Mon Jan 27, 2014, 7:27pm
Subject: Replacement for hot water dispenser solenoid valve with mechanical valve
 

Hi everyone,

I have been rebuilding Brasilia Portofino (Century) 1 group HX machine. It is a fun project and I have learned a lot so far. I replaced the pump and other various parts of the machine.

However, I cannot fix the solenoid valve that controls the hot water dispenser of the machine. It is leaking very bad. I tried to open the mechanical part of the solenoid valve, but it would not budge at all. It is dead stuck and I gave up on trying to open it.

Now, I hit a dead end. I cannot simply replace the valve because the company went bankrupt. I cannot find the details of the solenoid because it is a very old part and there is no writing on the solenoid. One thought I had was to get rid of the solenoid valve altogether and replace with a mechanical valve. Is this a possibility? I think this is a cheaper alternative, but I cannot find details.

Any suggestion/advice would be very helpful at the moment.
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Posted Mon Jan 27, 2014, 8:11pm
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oddly enough, it might well be cheaper and certainly easier to use a replacement solenoid valve. It doesn't matter too much which one u use (as long as its 1 way for hot water), more important is the threads fit and things like voltage are the same.
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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 7:28am
Subject: Re: Replacement for hot water dispenser solenoid valve with mechanical valve
 

Junoh Said:

Hi everyone,

I have been rebuilding Brasilia Portofino (Century) 1 group HX machine. It is a fun project and I have learned a lot so far. I replaced the pump and other various parts of the machine.

However, I cannot fix the solenoid valve that controls the hot water dispenser of the machine. It is leaking very bad. I tried to open the mechanical part of the solenoid valve, but it would not budge at all. It is dead stuck and I gave up on trying to open it.

Now, I hit a dead end. I cannot simply replace the valve because the company went bankrupt. I cannot find the details of the solenoid because it is a very old part and there is no writing on the solenoid. One thought I had was to get rid of the solenoid valve altogether and replace with a mechanical valve. Is this a possibility? I think this is a cheaper alternative, but I cannot find details.

Any suggestion/advice would be very helpful at the moment.

Posted January 27, 2014 link

I thought I had the same problem with my VFA rebuild a while back. Turns out the Solenoids and pumps are still available out there.  Can you PM me or post a pick of the solenoid make and model?  I am 90% sure I can find a replacement.

Espressoparts.com has a ton of parts for your machine. http://www.espressoparts.com/Brasiliabruh-zill-ee-uh
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Junoh
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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 9:48am
Subject: Re: Replacement for hot water dispenser solenoid valve with mechanical valve
 

With a close inspection, I found what kind of Solenoid the machine uses. The machine uses mPm Solenoid(not m&m), which I tried very hard to find it online and found it to be very obscure.

The good news is that, the coil of the solenoid is actually fine. I just need the replacement for the body of the solenoid(metal part). I am not sure if this kind of the body is universal one.

http://i.imgur.com/6CtGjPP.jpg
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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 10:00am
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They usually are.  Are you able to supply the solenoid block with power itself?  You should get a magnetic charge inside the coil.  It should grab a screwdriver pretty hard.  

I am looking at cafe parts and I may have found the entire assembly new.

Click  Is this it?
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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 10:04am
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Are you able to post a picture of it with a solenoid together assembled to the machine?
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Junoh
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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 11:37am
Subject: Re: Replacement for hot water dispenser solenoid valve with mechanical valve
 

Thanks everyone for helping!

Here are two pictures for the solenoid.

click here

click here

Burner0000 Said:

They usually are.  Are you able to supply the solenoid block with power itself?  You should get a magnetic charge inside the coil.  It should grab a screwdriver pretty hard.  

I am looking at cafe parts and I may have found the entire assembly new.

Click  Is this it?

Posted January 28, 2014 link

The direction of the valve is awkward to use on my machine.
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Junoh
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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 11:45am
Subject: Re: Replacement for hot water dispenser solenoid valve with mechanical valve
 

Burner0000 Said:

They usually are.  Are you able to supply the solenoid block with power itself?  You should get a magnetic charge inside the coil.  It should grab a screwdriver pretty hard.  

I am looking at cafe parts and I may have found the entire assembly new.

Click  Is this it?

Posted January 28, 2014 link

The magnetic force from the coil is very strong indeed. I don't believe there is anything wrong with the electronic and electromagnetic part of the Solenoid.
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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 12:10pm
Subject: Re: Replacement for hot water dispenser solenoid valve with mechanical valve
 

Junoh Said:

The magnetic force from the coil is very strong indeed. I don't believe there is anything wrong with the electronic and electromagnetic part of the Solenoid.

Posted January 28, 2014 link

So odd.. The shaft looks fine.. Maybe the Nucleus inside the valve shaft.
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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 12:16pm
Subject: Re: Replacement for hot water dispenser solenoid valve with mechanical valve
 

This company looks like they have every part needed for your machine in stock.  It's UK but it's better than nothing.  I can't compare exactly what Solenoid were dealing with or where but you might have better luck.

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