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DawnM
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Posted Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:18am
Subject: Re: KitchenAid Proline wiring help
 

Ok, I am posting a new picture.

Dh has spent some time going through all the suggestions and found an issue.  It "works" but only if the front right blue plug is unplugged from the broiler.  That is the cord that seems to be shorting it out.  If that is unplugged it works fine.  BUT, it only heats to 140 degrees.

Any ideas?

Is there a way to replace the cord?  Do you think the broiler is going out?  Can you order just that part somewhere?

Thank you!

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Posted Sun Jun 1, 2014, 6:21pm
Subject: Re: KitchenAid Proline wiring help
 

DawnM Said:

Ok, I am posting a new picture.

Dh has spent some time going through all the suggestions and found an issue.  It "works" but only if the front right blue plug is unplugged from the broiler.  That is the cord that seems to be shorting it out.  If that is unplugged it works fine.  BUT, it only heats to 140 degrees.

Any ideas?

Is there a way to replace the cord?  Do you think the broiler is going out?  Can you order just that part somewhere?

Thank you!

Posted June 1, 2014 link

It's too early to say what is the issue and therefore what needs to fixed/replaced.  At this point, some more specific troubleshooting is required.  Basically, you'll need to trace that line to figure out why it is causing problems.  Do you have a volt/ohm meter or can you borrow one?
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DawnM
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Posted Sun Jun 1, 2014, 7:26pm
Subject: Re: KitchenAid Proline wiring help
 

Thanks.  We do have one and will check it out.

pizzaman383 Said:

It's too early to say what is the issue and therefore what needs to fixed/replaced.  At this point, some more specific troubleshooting is required.  Basically, you'll need to trace that line to figure out why it is causing problems.  Do you have a volt/ohm meter or can you borrow one?

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Posted Mon Jun 2, 2014, 5:11pm
Subject: Re: KitchenAid Proline wiring help
 

Here are a few things to try - with the power cord disconnected!

If you disconnect all four blue wires to the heating elements on the boiler you can test the heating elements.  From the two ends of each heating element you should see resistance in the 20-50 Ohm range and both heating elements should have the same (or very similar) readings.  From each end of the heating element to the boiler you should see the highest Ohm rating your meter can show.
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Posted Tue Jun 3, 2014, 4:06am
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Thanks.  We will hopefully have time tonight to play around with it.
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DawnM
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Posted Tue Jun 3, 2014, 6:02pm
Subject: Re: KitchenAid Proline wiring help
 

I am a little unclear.  What do you mean when you say, "From each end of the heating element to the broiler you should see the highest Ohm rating?"  I think we are getting 0 if I am understanding that correctly and tested correctly.

We have tested the prongs on top of the larger heating element.  They all have exactly the same Ohm readings.  The readings, 22.

However, I was wrong, it is not the WIRE that is tripping, it is the prong sticking up on the right front side.  It doesn't seem to matter which blue wire is plugged in to it, that prong trips the switch.  Sometimes it will stay on for a few seconds, but it eventually trips.

Dh is thinking that perhaps we got moisture in there when we cleaned everything out and plugged it back in?

He is getting it to plug in a bit longer before tripping now and even ran some water through it a bit.

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Posted Wed Jun 4, 2014, 6:15am
Subject: Re: KitchenAid Proline wiring help
 

I was able to get it to stay on for 10 min. this am and actually ran water through.   Even though the temp gage reads 270 on the dial, the water is only coming out at only 160.

I have no idea what temp it came out before as I have never measured.
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Posted Wed Jun 4, 2014, 1:14pm
Subject: Re: KitchenAid Proline wiring help
 

It does indeed sound like you've got some moisture in the element. A buddy of mine had the same on his Gaggia carezza, and managed to sort it by letting it heat up until it tripped, again, and again..... Every time it stayed on for longer, and the element eventually dried itself in the process.

Good luck, I hope you're as lucky!

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Posted Wed Jun 4, 2014, 3:06pm
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Any clue how I can get the temperature of the water higher?

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Posted Wed Jun 4, 2014, 5:17pm
Subject: Re: KitchenAid Proline wiring help
 

Janus' comments seem accurate.  It's likely that water has gotten inside the heating element.  This hasn't happened to me but it's been known to happen.

There are two U-shaped heating elements, one on each side of the boiler.  If you put the ohm meter lead on the two top nubs of each U-shaped element you will read the resistance of the element; this should be between 20-40 ohms, if I remember correctly.  If you put one lead end on the metal of the boiler and the other on one of the nubs you will measure the resistance between the element and the boiler; this should be near infinite.

If it were my machine, I'd measure the resistance as I described to have an idea of what's going on.  Then, I'd turn it on with only the leads connected that don't result in popping the breaker.  I'd leave it on like that for 24 hours.  Then I'd turn it off, let it cool, then remeasure the resistances.  If it makes a difference in the measurements I'd do it a couple of more times.

Then, it might be time to try the "turn it on until it pops" under close supervision to try and dry out the moisture in the heating element.

The water temperature will become higher once both heating elements are working properly.  It's possible to use one heating element but it will take a much longer time to heat the machine.  I think if you give it an hour to reach stable temperature it will likely be hot enough to brew a shot.  If you wait 10-15 minutes between shots it's likely to recover sufficiently.
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