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Posted Thu Apr 28, 2005, 6:05pm
Subject: Saeco Classico or Delonghi EC701?
 

I narrowed down my choices to these 2 machines any one recommend one over the other? I can't find any reviews on the EC701; delonghi doesn't seem to be a popular brand with the crowd, why is that?

I was also thinking about the Gaggia Classic but read about gaggia and the aluminium/brass boiler corrosion and decided i didn't want to drop $400+ to have to replace or repair in 2-3years.

Does anyone run into boiler problems with the gaggia models?
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Posted Thu Apr 28, 2005, 7:59pm
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico or Delonghi EC701?
 

Saeco Classicao has a steel body, is a workhorse.  You can start out with the presurized Portafilter to learn and then buy a good grinder and their "professional" portafilter from Saeco USA and have a poor man's Rancilio Sylvia.  I ran a saeco classical for 5 years, and gave it to a friend and it is still running strong.

 
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Posted Thu Apr 28, 2005, 8:14pm
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico or Delonghi EC701?
 

luvcappa Said:

I was also thinking about the Gaggia Classic but read about gaggia and the aluminium/brass boiler corrosion and decided i didn't want to drop $400+ to have to replace or repair in 2-3years.

Does anyone run into boiler problems with the gaggia models?

Posted April 28, 2005 link

The Gaggia aluminum/brass boiler is a problem, but I think mine is well over 10 years old.  Repair/replacement in 2-3 years?...I doubt it.

I like the full-size (58mm) NON-pressurized portafilter, which you don't get with Saeco or Delonghi.

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Posted Fri Apr 29, 2005, 4:36am
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico or Delonghi EC701?
 

Thanks for the input guys.

sing.-

The EC701 is all stainless steel too just like the saeco. I checked on saeco's website they didn't list any "professional portafilter' being sold.

JR-

10 years old...? wow, that doesn't seem like a problem then. So, why is it considered a problem if it has such durability? Did you hve to repair it before?
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Posted Fri Apr 29, 2005, 5:05am
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico or Delonghi EC701?
 

Luvcappa,

If you go with the Classico, the non-pressurized portafilter from  Saeco is part number 226.550.263.  This part number is for the  grey handle version.  

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Posted Fri Apr 29, 2005, 8:53am
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico or Delonghi EC701?
 

luvcappa Said:

JR-

10 years old...? wow, that doesn't seem like a problem then. So, why is it considered a problem if it has such durability? Did you hve to repair it before?

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Yes, it needed repair badly when I bought it at the thrift store.  It leaked where the aluminum mated with the brass, due to heavy corrosion.  But it did not appear to be well maintained at all.  I sandblasted the aluminum half, ground the surface smooth, and replaced the O-ring.  I've had no trouble since (other than a sticky 3-way valve), and I've been using it on its "second life" now for about two years.

Yes, the aluminum boiler will eventually self-destruct, but I think 2-3 years is kinda pessimistic.

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Posted Fri Apr 29, 2005, 11:42am
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico or Delonghi EC701?
 

I've used the DeLonghi EC701.  Aside from a stainless steel exterior, it has no redeeming values.  Unlike the Saeco Classico, you cannot (as far as I know) get a non-pressurized portafilter for the DeLonghi.  That puts an upper limit on the quality of the espresso you can brew.  The same is true for the steam wand with its froth aiding device.  Really hard to get nicely textured foam.  It has a stainless steel boiler, and an aluminum (looks/feels like pot metal) brew group and portafilter, too, so you're looking at poor to fair temperature stability, and a pretty long recovery time between shots.  That, in addition to generally flimsy construction, may be why this is not a popular brand with this crowd.
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Posted Fri Apr 29, 2005, 1:48pm
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico or Delonghi EC701?
 

I would buy the SS one year old model that <MEP> is buying.   Personally, knowing that machine well, it is underrated on this site.   The classico gets a bad rap because Saeco makes a lot of plastic machines and a lot of low end super automatics.  This machine is different than that.  it's simple, it has a steel body, it is durable, it has a good pump, does as well as any machine in it's class with milk drinks.   It has a small brass tank that heats quickly (about a 2-3 warmup, and transitions from espresso to steam in about 15-30 seconds.  

I personally think that a really great accompanying grinder would be the the Gaggia MDF.  $199 at Whole latte love.

 
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Posted Fri Apr 29, 2005, 8:04pm
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico or Delonghi EC701?
 

I think a stainless steel machine is a good choice, since they clean up very easily, and look good for a long time, whereas the plastic machines can look fairly beat-up after a year or so.

However, I would go with a Gaggia machine for the following reasons:

1) I use my machine quite a bit (3-4 times/day).  I went through 2 Saeco machines in 5 years.  My Gaggia is almost a year old and still going strong. I bought it because I heard that they are tanks, and these 10 year-old Gaggia stories seem to bear that out.
2) I always enjoyed the coffee from the Saecos, but when I tried a decent espresso at a shop, I could not get anywhere near it with my Saeco (with the pressurized PF).  When I replaced my last Saeco with a Gaggia, the quality of my espresso skyrocketed.  There is no comparison between a machine with a pressurized PF and a non-pressurized PF.
3) The double basket in the Gaggias is very nice.  If you want an upgrade, you can get a bottomless PF and a La Marzocco triple basket.  The option to use widely available and varied 58mm baskets is a real advantage over the 53mm baskets of the Saeco machines.
4) My Gaggia machine allows me to make better espresso than I have had anywhere else.  Now I want to show my friends and family how incredible my coffee is, so I will probably eventually upgrade to an HX or double boiler machine.  My Saeco machines delivered consistently mediocre coffee, and it wasn't until I tried something much better that it occured to me that espresso could be much better.
5) The Gaggia is not so finicky that my wife can still make an ok shot, without consulting CG on a regular basis.
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Posted Sat Apr 30, 2005, 4:35am
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico or Delonghi EC701?
 

MEP-

Thanks for the offer and the part number, but right now i have a few extra $$ laying around so i will be getting a new machine. No offense I assure you. If i could just bother you with one more question; the NON PPF is it of heavy duty construction like Gaggia's or same like the flimsy stock PPF?

Markpod-

It is interesting I have read reviews on the Classic and no one seems to have any problems with the dissimilar metal corrosion on the Gaggia boilers. Except JR, but then your case is kinda different cause you got it second hand in a junkyard sale.

On one hand this website points out the corrosion,  with pictures even, which makes you think it is a problem,  then on the other hand it is top rated and even recommended within the same article. So, which is it? weird I tell ya.
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