EN Senior Member Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 228 Location: Ontario, Canada Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Isomac Millennium Grinder: Mazzer Mini Vac Pot: Bodum Columbia (press) Drip: Ya, i hear it too, where is... Roaster: Milwaulkee Heat Gun
Posted Fri Jun 3, 2005, 6:50am Subject: Zassenhaus Question
Hello,
I am contemplating a Zassenhaus grinder, i am the only coffee drinker in the house and typically have two shots in the AM and some days i have one after supper.
I have two questions, one, what is the difference between a Zassenhaus "coffee" grinder and an "espresso" grinder? i often use my bodem, so i would like something that can produce a nice coarse grind and also my espresso machine is a La Pavoni which likes a very fine grind (no where near a turkish, but finer than most typical espresso grinds). My understanding was that any Zassenhause is capable of the full spectrum, is this wrong?
Second question, is this a time consuming thing... grinding by hand?
Last - any one know of a retailer in Ontario Canada?
Me Senior Member Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 225 Location: cedarburg, WI Expertise: Pro Roaster
Grinder: KitchenAid Pro Burr Grinder Drip: Chemex, french press,...
Posted Fri Jun 3, 2005, 8:25am Subject: Re: Zassenhaus Question
Hmm, we're in opposite situations. I have a Zassenhaus grinder, and I'm looking at manual Pavoni's. Since I don't have an espresso machine yet, I can only answer the 'how long' question. It all depends on how much your making (obviously), but it usually takes at least a minute. And--at least with mine--it makes high-pitched squeeky noise when I grind. So, yeah, it is time consuming.
coffeeroastersclub2 Senior Member Joined: 15 May 2005 Posts: 18 Location: Vernon, Connecticut Expertise: Professional
Posted Fri Jun 3, 2005, 9:20am Subject: Re: Zassenhaus Question
EN Said:
Hello,
I am contemplating a Zassenhaus grinder, i am the only coffee drinker in the house and typically have two shots in the AM and some days i have one after supper.
I have two questions, one, what is the difference between a Zassenhaus "coffee" grinder and an "espresso" grinder? i often use my bodem, so i would like something that can produce a nice coarse grind and also my espresso machine is a La Pavoni which likes a very fine grind (no where near a turkish, but finer than most typical espresso grinds). My understanding was that any Zassenhause is capable of the full spectrum, is this wrong?
Second question, is this a time consuming thing... grinding by hand?
Last - any one know of a retailer in Ontario Canada?
You know, I have wondered about that issue also. I know my Zassenhaus "Coffee" Grinder can produce a perfect expresso grind. The only thing I can imagine is that it is a marketing issue in that they are trying to capture the expresso crowd.
hunts Senior Member Joined: 21 Feb 2005 Posts: 56 Location: New Jersey Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: All-Clad Presso (Gaggia... Grinder: Rocky Drip: Cuisinart SS-1 Cup-O-Matic
Posted Fri Jun 3, 2005, 7:21pm Subject: Re: Zassenhaus Question
I originally used a Zass to grind for my espresso. It does a good job of it, but takes a little while. I used a power-drill, but that was a little heavy and odd to be using in the kitchen. I've used it to grind for my french-press a few times, and it's much faster. The only beef I have with the Zass is that the adjustments are made by a screw. There are no clicks or number settings, so it can be a challenge sometimes to dial in the right grind depending on how old/fresh your beans are. The only way I was able to properly set the Zass for espresso is to adjust it until I hear the burrs touching each other slightly. In other words, when I do a full crank, I only hear the burrs touching each other halfway through that crank. I'm saving my Zass as a backup unit. It's still a nice unit to have and keep.
Groovygear Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 71 Location: Montreal Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: Elektra Deliziosa Grinder: Mazzer Major, Zassenhaus... Drip: What'd you call me? Roaster: Grain D'Or, Terra, Toi Moi...
Posted Sun Jun 5, 2005, 11:18am Subject: Re: Zassenhaus Question
This is one way to grind high quality espresso. It is time consuming, to some degree. Sort of depends how fast you crank. I find that a double espresso takes about 100 cranks. I do that in less than a minute. It can be somewhat difficult to replicate results, due to the grind adjustment setup. I have put a permanent marker dot on mine, for which top-dead-centre (12 o'clock - see picture) is a good 'zero point' starting point for espresso grind. I don't make any other coffee, so I adjust minutely from this point based on the age of the beans, weather, day of the week, moon phase, etc.
As far as the espresso branded units, the jury is still out. Nobody here seems to have gotten their hands on one; there is no online retailer that carries these models; there is no sufficient explanation of any difference on the company website. It certainly looks as though it's mostly a packagaing and marketing thing.
In Canada, the best place to find one seems to be Ashton Green in Ottawa. Their online prices are very reasonable.
EN Senior Member Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 228 Location: Ontario, Canada Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Isomac Millennium Grinder: Mazzer Mini Vac Pot: Bodum Columbia (press) Drip: Ya, i hear it too, where is... Roaster: Milwaulkee Heat Gun
Posted Mon Jun 6, 2005, 9:27am Subject: Re: Zassenhaus Question
Thanks Craig i really apreciate this. I was kinda asking different questions threw the day as i was talking to different people and trying ot get a handle on what i wanted.
i am waiting an answer straight from Zassenhaus on weither or not there is a difference between the two models.
As far as the time it takes, it should be fine, it take a while for the machine to warm up anyway.
I think the turkish machine is what i need. although on some sites they have big warnings "For Turkish coffee only - this is not suitable for any other type of coffee"
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