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jeanboucher
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Posted Wed Sep 18, 2002, 10:40am
Subject: Switching from Silvia to Livia
 

I already own a Rancilio Silvia.

I want to know if it worth it to buy a Livia 90.

I was reading the consumer reviews on this site, and I have notice that a lot of people give the Livia high notes & then they complain about Temperature, leaking, noise, etc...

 
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Posted Wed Sep 18, 2002, 11:02am
Subject: Re: Switching from Silvia to Livia
 

jeanboucher Said:

I already own a Rancilio Silvia.

I want to know if it worth it to buy a Livia 90.

I was reading the consumer reviews on this site, and I have notice that a lot of people give the Livia high notes & then they complain about Temperature, leaking, noise, etc...

Posted September 18, 2002 link

Perfectionists are picky.

While I'm currently leaning towards other machines than the Livia for my own purchase, I wouldn't really complain if I owned one (having used one almost daily for 3 years).

What are your requirements for a machine? IOW, why is the Silvia no longer enough? That will help you define your next step.

For example, I love the Elektra Semi-Automatica and it fulfills most of my requirements in a machine, but the need to manually fill the boiler to maintain pressure (and therefor brewing temprature) and the lack of a hot water wand (although I could always brew tea under pressure in the portafilter) makes it an unlikely choice for me since I won't be the sole person using the machine.

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Posted Wed Sep 18, 2002, 7:16pm
Subject: Re: Switching from Silvia to Livia
 

jeanboucher Said:

I already own a Rancilio Silvia.

I want to know if it worth it to buy a Livia 90.

I was reading the consumer reviews on this site, and I have notice that a lot of people give the Livia high notes & then they complain about Temperature, leaking, noise, etc...

Posted September 18, 2002 link

I posted several "rants" over at my CoffeeKid site when I was making the decision to move from the Silvia to the Livia 90. Have a look see:

http://www.coffeekid.com/cafetalk/09-18-2000
http://www.coffeekid.com/cafetalk/09-24-2000
http://www.coffeekid.com/cafetalk/09-30-2000
http://www.coffeekid.com/cafetalk/10-12-2000

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Posted Wed Sep 18, 2002, 7:20pm
Subject: Re: Switching from Silvia to Livia
 

blkeagl Said:

For example, I love the Elektra Semi-Automatica and it fulfills most of my requirements in a machine, but the need to manually fill the boiler to maintain pressure (and therefor brewing temprature) and the lack of a hot water wand (although I could always brew tea under pressure in the portafilter) makes it an unlikely choice for me since I won't be the sole person using the machine.

Tarik

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My (albeit very early) testing of the Semi Automatica shows this is less of an issue than I initially thought. Yes, manually filling the boiler (by holding a boiler fill switch) is a novelty of sorts and an auto fill would be ideal, but the Semi Automatica has a sight glass on the side, and keeping that level at 3/4 full is not really a big deal.

Steam ability is exceptional. It's not a speed demon - the Livia has the Elektra completely beat in the 7oz to 155F time test, but the steaming ability is first rate, and for me at least, the easiest "microfoam-able" machine I've ever used, save maybe the Elektra Micro Casa a Leva, which shares the same steam wand assembly.

I'm still sort of neutral on the boiler fill issue. Yes, autofill would be ideal, but it's less of a hassle than I initially thought.

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Posted Wed Sep 18, 2002, 8:25pm
Subject: Re: Switching from Silvia to Livia
 

Problem is, my success rate for those shots is about 1 in 20 so far.

Since then, do you have a better succes rate.

I went to Vivace in Seattle last week, and I was really impress by the dark color of the crema, and how soft and sweet it was.

I have David's book and videos, and I remember when I was reading the book, telling to myself, that the pictures on page 106-107, were maybe not right.

My crema on my Rancilio is between these 2 pictures, even with the beans that I brought back from Vivace!

Tonight, I have order the La Marzocco Filter Basket, hoping that it will help, but I have also notice that some people have put a Temperature Controller PID to the Silvia.

David Schomer, is mentionning that the Temperature is the Key element.

What do you think about that?

 
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Posted Wed Sep 18, 2002, 9:12pm
Subject: Re: Switching from Silvia to Livia
 

jeanboucher Said:

Since then, do you have a better succes rate.

Posted September 18, 2002 link

Oh yeah :)

Livia is my benchmark machine against all the others I test. It has earned that role because after 2 years, I've come to know the machine's wants, wonts, and what it can deliver.

The machine has a very high learning curve. It's finicky, just like the Silvia is, but more so. Once you understand how the machine works (and it only comes with practice), you can coax it to pull amazing shots.

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