gunman45 Senior Member Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 72 Location: Idaho Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Tricked-out Silvia, Dual... Grinder: Mazzer Mini P, Mazzer Major Vac Pot: Nope Drip: No Again Roaster: 1600
Posted Fri Nov 23, 2007, 10:10am Subject: Dual Boilers And Their Users Experience.
I started another thread “Vibiemme Super of Izzo Alex” and sort of got off track. So I will start fresh.
As far as I know, for now we have the Brewtus and Vivaldi available as prosumer machines available. The GS3 is not yet available in the US. VBM and from what I understand, Izzo will be releasing Dual Boiler machines.
So before I degrees………again……………who is using a Dual Boiler machine? Additionally, what brand, did you replace an HX and what has been your experience with the machine?
Posted Fri Nov 23, 2007, 1:33pm Subject: Re: Dual Boilers And Their Users Experience.
Some people do have a GS3. I moved from Expobar Pulser. The difference was noticeable from the first shot. It only get better. Also, my grinder is a Kony and it is an improvement from the Mini. -- Danny
FredFal Senior Member Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 327 Location: Jacksonville, AR Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Brewtus II (Deuce) Grinder: Mazzer Mini E Type B (E.B.) Roaster: GC (Gene)
Posted Fri Nov 23, 2007, 5:02pm Subject: Re: Dual Boilers And Their Users Experience.
Hey Larry,
I've had a Brewtus II for just over 2 years. It's my first machine (I just dived in) and I'm very happy with its performance. I use it to make about 30-40 shots per week.
Though the only machine I've owned, I have used other machines (Vivaldi, Silvia, the GB5, the FB80, the Linea, La Pavoni Lever -- I think that's all). While the Brewtus is no La Marzocco professional machine and could have better temperature control (there's always the PID option), it's very consistent and easy to use. I was pulling acceptable shots within the first couple of weeks of owning it.
The Brewtus is paired with a Mazzer Mini E and the coffee is excellent.
Luca Moderator Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,639 Location: Melbourne, Australia
Espresso: H: Maver W: FB-80 Grinder: H: Super Jolly W: Brasilia... Vac Pot: Hario TCA-2 Roaster: Sample Roaster at Work
Posted Fri Nov 23, 2007, 7:55pm Subject: Re: Dual Boilers And Their Users Experience.
I work on a FB80 and on a Synesso, so I was really keen to check out the Brewtus. Unfortunately, when push came to shove I didn't feel that any of the shots that I got from it were particularly good, nor did I like having to flush it to heat up the group, so I bought a HX that did produce shots that I liked. I got to have a play around with a GS3 about a month ago and the shots were very impressive.
nobbi4711 Senior Member Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 278 Location: Germany Expertise: Pro Barista
Espresso: Dallacorte Mini Grinder: Casadio Instantaneous Vac Pot: none Drip: none Roaster: not yet :-)
Posted Sat Nov 24, 2007, 12:12am Subject: Re: Dual Boilers And Their Users Experience.
I've been using Dallacorte machines for about 2 years now; at the moment it's the actual Mini. The machine could easily be the last machine one buys... excellent temp stability and hardly any brew group flushing cause off the brew group and boiler being the same metal block (weight about 17lb) -> brew group quite as hot as boiler water. Brew pressure and temperature easy to adjust, big water tank inspite off being a small machine, nice big drip tray (although plastic inlet). Adjustable Pre-Infusion (none-2sec-4sec). Steam power is good up to 20oc pitchers, bigger pitchers are a bit hard to do, maybe a 4hole steam tip is a little better here. Since the new model is equipped with a fluidotech pump, it's quite silent although pressure is reduced to 9bar.
I don't have any upgrade desires at the moment. Maybe a small rotary pump sometime...
gunman45 Senior Member Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 72 Location: Idaho Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Tricked-out Silvia, Dual... Grinder: Mazzer Mini P, Mazzer Major Vac Pot: Nope Drip: No Again Roaster: 1600
Posted Sat Nov 24, 2007, 6:19am Subject: Re: Dual Boilers And Their Users Experience.
Thanks for all the replies.
Marcus-I have been looking at the Dallacorte Mini’s but I do not believe that they sell them here in the states. Interesting design but from looking at the photos, is it a dual or single boiler?
Posted Sat Nov 24, 2007, 7:36am Subject: Re: Dual Boilers And Their Users Experience.
The Synesso Cyncra 1 group does come in a 110V version which I believe would be more suitable for most home users than the 220V machine.
I've had the pleasure of owning a 220V Synesso for close to 2 years and really enjoy it! Always been curious about the 110V Cyncra's performance and finally got to test drive one. I was overseeing the installation of some new roasting equipment in Texas last week and sitting on the counter was a 110V Synesso. I couldn't tell any difference in performance, although I could imagine a bit of a lag/recovery issue in a high volume cafe setting. For the home user this would be a non-issue.
The price of a Synesso 1 group does put it out of the budget of many but I wanted to let the folks know that are interested, in the availability of a 110V unit.
The benefits of a PID'd dual boiler for me are the rock solid and repeatable temp's, not having to do the HX cooling flush and in the case of the Synesso, solid handcrafted construction that oozes quality.
Posted Sat Nov 24, 2007, 8:20am Subject: Re: Dual Boilers And Their Users Experience.
I own a Brewtus II - I upgraded from a Silvia. I love my Brewtus. I don't understand the comment about the flushing to heat up the group, because all I do is pull water to warm up the cup, then prep and take the shot. The group doesn't have to be flushed, like an HX. The quality of the shots is a major improvement over the Silvia I owned, and it's much more user-friendly.
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