Posted Thu Sep 4, 2008, 2:26pm Subject: Re: Is there any auto machine worth buying?
You question is a bit twisted about, but it sounds like you are asking about a "Super Auto"...? That is, do you want a machine where you put in beans and water, push a button, and let the machine decide the rest in order to allow it to deal with the grind, tamp, temperature, etc.? That is how I understand your question in regards to, "...it takes some variables... out of the equation."
If that is the case, then the answer is, if I was shopping for a super auto I would be thinking about spending closer to three to four (or ever five) times that much to be sure I got something that was dependable and adjustable in regards to all parameters.
My dentist asked me to shop for a super auto for his office and he ended up with one of the top-end Juras and it is a very sophisticated machine. A lot more complicated than I would want to own. I prefer he ability to do my own repairs...
If that wasn't the question, please use white out to remove this message from your monitor.
wideasleep1 Senior Member Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 581 Location: Sausalito,Ca Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Fri Sep 5, 2008, 6:35am Subject: Re: Is there any auto machine worth buying?
You'd get much better results from a PPF machine, like a Starbucks Barista, if you want consistency without the detailed variabilities of grind/tamp/precise temp.
joes1958 Senior Member Joined: 13 Aug 2008 Posts: 18 Location: Brackendale Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Fri Sep 5, 2008, 2:53pm Subject: Re: Is there any auto machine worth buying?
I bought a Jura F9 refurbished for ~1,100US. I bought this after returning from Europe and staying with friends who owned one. I thought this was better than sliced bread. I didn't know any better and didn't search out my options.
Check out the Salvtore one black, or Quickmill home machines, for example. I guarantee you that within one year you will wish you spent an extra $1,000 on something better.
I have had it for two years, it makes good espresso. Emphasis on good, not great. The weakest aspect of these super auto is the grinder. I eventualy went with a good grinder to grind my own fresh.
I am also ready to upgrade to get great, fabulous.
So as a starter machine, this particular super-auto makes good consistent espresso. You will eventually want more than good though. I would even say pretty good, and my friends say way better than SB (not that that is a challenge)
Had I known what I know know I would have spent another $1,000 and bought a good home semi-auto.
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