I understand your argument that there are other technologies out there and that the situation is not so simply black and white. Having said that, you must acknowledge that this is a discussion about low cost espresso machines presently on the market, not about other directions technology may head in the future. To attempt to differentiate low cost thermoblock machines to a beginner and describe conventional HX machines as just another type of thermoblock is just plain misleading. How did you manage to make this statement without acknowledging that HX machines in fact have a boiler - typically a fairly large one for temperature stability and steaming capacity? It will be difficult to have a useful and informative discussion unless we all use the same terms.
Though this may be TIC, I think the answer is this: buying a Breville is like buying an automatic drip coffeemaker, a toaster, or a hand mixer -- it's an appliance (a very good-looking one at that), and it's sold in stores (in the US) like Macy's and Neiman-Marcus, Bed Bath & Beyond and Williams-Sonoma, and Amazon -- none of which specialize in "serious" espresso equipment. And once the Breville fails to perform, the natural human assumption is that it must be "me" who's doing something wrong and it is only then that the buyer seeks out advice online.
Look at it this way, if they already were "serious" about espresso, they probably would have found this site long before purchasing the Breville.
Iluvdabean Senior Member Joined: 7 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,057 Location: California Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: La Nuova Era Cuadra/Gaggia... Grinder: Baratza Preciso/K-A Pro... Drip: Capresso MT 500/Pour Over Roaster: Nesco 1010/Behmor 1600
Posted Mon Jan 11, 2010, 7:01pm Subject: Re: Any thoughts on the Breville Barista Express?
Well I think the urge for toaster/appliance companies to cash in on the market is why we see a huge amount of these machines. Everyone wants a piece of the pie. Irregardless of wether or not they actually work. Ignorance is bliss and many people each day stroll into one of a dozen retailers selling machines like this and the unsuspecting customer buys it hook line and sinker. Heck I went to Willams and Sonoma and the guy had me thinking the Breville 800 was a great machine. I even drank some. I thought it was a high end thermoblock machine and I thought the Aussies were just making a great lower priced machine. Luckily they took it back no questions. Now Breville seems to have caught on and they are offering a real basket,and still its junk,that was just damage control. That was two years ago and I got what I think is the starting point for machines...my Gaggia Classic.I am glad people here dont really get intimidated and cared enough to tell me the truth. Maybe in the future someone will actually test the Breville and send the results to the main head quarters so they can fix the machine. Compared to the Gaggia its a toy.But Whole Latte Love and Seattle Coffee Gear selling them??????? Wow I never would have thought so.
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