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Jeromesk8
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Posted Thu Sep 2, 2010, 7:05am
Subject: Gas Powered Machine For Mobile Coffee Bar - recomendations?
 

Hello.

I'm looking at building a mobile coffee cart and have been recommended that I go with a machine that uses has gas as opposed to electricty for mobility reasons and to avoid noisy generators.

I'm looking for 'duel fuel' as if there is an electricty supply on location, i would naturally like to option of using it.

I know an english company called Fracino who make these but I've not come accross any others.

Someone has mentioned that lever machines do use electricty but have some sort of internal electrical system which can run off a battery as opposed to an electrical generator?

Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Jerome
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Posted Thu Sep 2, 2010, 8:37am
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Hello and welcome to CG!

As I am half a world away, I can't speak as to what machines are available to you in London but I can offer that I very much doubt that you would want to run a machine off batteries, the current draw would be huge and you would need a truck to haul around your "battery pack". Neither would you likely want to use a lever machine in a commercial operation, they are just not made for the kind of service and speed that you will require when there are 8 people lined up for drinks. In a commercial situation, you WILL need a commercial machine, if for nothing else than the health certs that come with commercial machines and that DO NOT come with home duty machines.

Most machines that run on gas, I think use LPG and as that fuel is very inexpensive, unless you have some venting issues with the exhaust gasses in a confined space, I would expect that you would use gas all the time.

There are a few members that should be close to you and may be able to help you with local vendors, or at least ones that are on the same land mass as yourself.

 
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Posted Thu Sep 2, 2010, 10:38am
Subject: Re: Gas Powered Machine For Mobile Coffee Bar - recomendations?
 

a lever machine might work, you don't really have to have power and they used to make them with gas (propane) hook ups. you may be able to order a lever machine that is outfitted for propane. you still have the problem of filling the boiler though,  you'll need to manually fill the boiler (with a pressurized water bottle), or figure out a way to hook up a flo-jet (power or maybe batteries?), so you don't have to mess around filling up the boiler as you use the machine....we used to have a gorgeous 1980 lever here at Intelli that had the gas hook ups.
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Posted Thu Sep 2, 2010, 11:21am
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There's a propane conversion kit available for this lever machine:
Click Here (www.espressotec.com)
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Posted Thu Sep 2, 2010, 11:25am
Subject: Re: Gas Powered Machine For Mobile Coffee Bar - recomendations?
 

calblacksmith Said:

Neither would you likely want to use a lever machine in a commercial operation, they are just not made for the kind of service and speed that you will require when there are 8 people lined up for drinks. In a commercial situation, you WILL need a commercial machine, if for nothing else than the health certs that come with commercial machines and that DO NOT come with home duty machines.

Posted September 2, 2010 link

Lever and commercial are not mutually exclusive.

IIRC Astoria makes (or made) commerical lever machines with optional gas kits available.
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Posted Thu Sep 2, 2010, 11:23pm
Subject: Re: Gas Powered Machine For Mobile Coffee Bar - recomendations?
 

calblacksmith Said:

Neither would you likely want to use a lever machine in a commercial operation, they are just not made for the kind of service and speed that you will require

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Uhh, what?

Commercial levers are plenty fast, and have been since around 1945.  The reasons to prefer electric pump over lever aren't speed.  25-35 seconds is still the goal; taking a tenth of a second to push a button vs 2 seconds to pull a lever isn't going to significantly change the line of waiting people.  A spring lever will automatically stop the shot, not unlike a full-auto, so go ahead and concentrate on that milk.

Home lever machines are out of the question, because they're not available in gas, among other problems.  (Correct me if I'm wrong, of course, but I haven't seen any current gas-fired home machines.)

I know we were oohing and ahhing on the style of the Futurmat Palanca a while back on a different forum; it's available in gas.

From what I understand, the Rancilio Classe 6 series is available with gas heat; I'm not sure if that's only available for manual (hand) pump models, however.

Astoria machines have been already mentioned.





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Posted Fri Sep 3, 2010, 5:41am
Subject: Re: Gas Powered Machine For Mobile Coffee Bar - recomendations?
 

OK, UNCLE,

I was wrong, LOL!

 
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Posted Thu Sep 23, 2010, 5:22am
Subject: Re: Gas Powered Machine For Mobile Coffee Bar - recomendations?
 

Thanks for all the imput guys! I've since come accross a number of machines here in the UK. We've gon a company calledFraccino who do these and I've also seen that Gaggia and Wega also make them.

I particularly like Wega machines for ease of use so will probably go with this baby here: here

For the records though, thse machine can pump out as many coffees as the regular machines - they do need a different set up though with jet flow etc.

Cheers for all your input guys!
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Posted Fri Sep 24, 2010, 6:07am
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Izzo Pompei lever  (1 - 4 group) machines are available in electric or gas.  I just spent a week in Napoli and these machines seem to be the standard in the coffee bars.  Check out there web site - having one of  these would distinguish you from the pack
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Posted Thu Apr 24, 2014, 3:10am
Subject: Re: Gas Powered Machine For Mobile Coffee Bar - recomendations?
 

Hi guys
having an issue with my Ellise Al, 2group (Bezzera) gas powered machine. I have hooked up the machine with water supply and gas supply according to inststructions. But regarding to gas heating element, I have some difficulties. the flame is blue and bride as manual saying, but after 30 minutes of heating process the pressure on the relevant gauge does not change. (it stays on 0 no change at all....) and after that time - aproximately 30 mins the flame goes down assume due to termostat regulation. but the pressure on the gague has 0 value.
i was thinking that the flame is too low but whole machine is hot. just the pressure gague is not going to chage for desire pressure. i beleive that gas heating system is able to heat the machine on its own and we do not need to trun on the electrical system.


what to do? can you advise me please...
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