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Danstrings
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Posted Thu May 6, 2004, 10:01am
Subject: Silvia tri-hole steam tip replacement... seems worse than single-hole!!??
 

Hello gurus!

First off, thanks for the brilliant advice on here.  Thanks to you all, I am drinking espresso beverages at home that blow away what I was used to before... amazing..  I just can't set foot in Starbucks again.  The crowning achievement was when I finally mastered a cappuccino that reminded me of my morning stop at Castroni in Rome... I say reminded not equaled. haha.

I was finally getting good at microfoaming the milk, and I received the tri-hole tip I had ordered 6 weeks ago from WLL.  In hindsight I should have cancelled the order as I got more comfortable with steaming on the single-hole, but I said what the heck.  Well my first experience with the tri-tip has been a nightmare!  Huge bubbles, heats up way too fast, extends the wand 3/4 an inch or so so harder to get things under it.. I just don't like it.  

I have seen a lot of comments here that the tri-hole til ain't that great.  Any confirmations or tips (sorry for the pun, unintentional!)

Thanks guys!

Dan
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Posted Thu May 6, 2004, 10:43am
Subject: Re: Silvia tri-hole steam tip replacement... seems worse than single-hole!!??
 

I've had very good luck with mine.  It arrived with Silvia and I put it on before I ever powered up the machine.  I was getting microfoam right away (most of the time) with about 7 oz of milk in a 20 oz pitcher.  I keep the tip just below the surface all the way to 150F.  Whenever I slip, the large bubbles get sucked right back in.

Now, I just need to learn to pour latte art because the milk seems to mark very well.

After reading some of the comments here, I tried the stock tip and found it difficult and slow.  

Maybe it's all in what you learn with.
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Posted Thu May 6, 2004, 11:13am
Subject: Re: Silvia tri-hole steam tip replacement... seems worse than single-hole!!??
 

The end result between the stock tip & the 3-hole tip, though similar, has some slight differences.  IMO, it seems as though the 1 hole tip with it's longer frothing/stretching time is easier to control and produces a "tighter, wetter" (don't read too much into that) microfoam.  I think if you like lattes and the occasional cappuccino, the 1 hole tip is more than ample.  If you like to tinker, or like your foam a little "dryer" and foamier--more for the capp. drinker & occasional latte drinker--the 3-hole tip is fun to have, but more difficult to master.

Personally, I have not used the WLL 3-hole tip, but I do have the one from 1st-line.  I have a 1 month old Silvia, and it generates steam like a fiend.  What I have discovered is that no matter which tip you use, getting consistent microfoam all about control and technique, and the 3-hole tip is infinitely more "sensitive" to the amount of steam you release than the 1 hole tip.  

If I open the steam valve up all the way with the 1 hole tip, I am still able to get decent froth.  It's a little "bubblier" than what I like, but it comes out okay.  If I open the steam valve all the way with the 3-hole tip, I need to wear Haz-Mat gear to protect myself from the flying milk & steam!  The key to the 3-hole tip (at least on my machine) is knowing how to control the steam variable.  I tinkered with the 1 hole tip last week, and was able to make minor adjustments in the steam release and wand placement, and get consistent microfoam.  

I put the 3-hole tip on this week, and found it was a little more difficult to master, but results are similar once mastered (great, consistent microfoam).  I have to restrict the steam considerably in the beginning during the "stretching" phase.  Once the milk gets to 100, I dunk the wand about 1/4" to 1/2" under the surface and open it full throttle until the milk hits 150, then completely cut off the steam.  

Keep in mind that Silvia's ugly older sister Audrey had a boiler that both similar in size, wattage, and structure, and used a 3-hole tip.
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pillguy
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Posted Wed Aug 11, 2004, 5:24am
Subject: Re: Silvia tri-hole steam tip replacement... seems worse than single-hole!!??
 

I used the 3 hole from WLL for a week.  I took it off.  Here are the issues I had.

  1.  horizontal steam shoots water when I am getting rid of the excess water after brewing.
  2.  No swirling at all.  There is just not enough pressure behind 3 holes to get the milk moving
  3.  I would say it is like a Panarello wand.  You just throw it in the milk, and you get foam.  Not good foam, but foam nonetheless.  


This might be a good tip for someone that just wants a drink, and is not looking for any type of foam perfection.
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