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Posted Mon Feb 28, 2011, 3:01pm
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justpete Said:

This one is a DB and comes w/ a grinder.

Click Here (www.1st-line.net)

Looks like a pretty good deal.

Posted February 28, 2011 link

That's not a DB.  It has one boiler and a thermoblock for the steam.  It has 2 pumps, hence the "duo" in the name.  It looks like they include standard steam tips so you don't have to use the froth-aider gizmo, which is a plus.  I think I've read that that grinder is similar to the pl53.  Sure looks similar.  Also- I don't think you'll get the same results using the same grind setting for the standard and decaf beans.  The texture is going to be a bit different.  But I don't have experience myself.  I think the only time I've had a decaf espresso in my life was when I was playing with the Illy pods that came free with my machine.
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Posted Mon Feb 28, 2011, 3:15pm
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rotwang Said:

That's not a DB.  It has one boiler and a thermoblock for the steam.  It has 2 pumps, hence the "duo" in the name.  It looks like they include standard steam tips so you don't have to use the froth-aider gizmo, which is a plus.  I think I've read that that grinder is similar to the pl53.  Sure looks similar.  Also- I don't think you'll get the same results using the same grind setting for the standard and decaf beans.  The texture is going to be a bit different.  But I don't have experience myself.  I think the only time I've had a decaf espresso in my life was when I was playing with the Illy pods that came free with my machine.

Posted February 28, 2011 link

I guess I'll have to find out.  I used to think it odd when people ordered decaf espresso's - seemed counter-intuitive.  Then I learned that people can love the taste of espresso/lattes/cappucino etc but have an intolerance for caffeine.

 
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Posted Mon Feb 28, 2011, 3:26pm
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rotwang Said:

That's not a DB.  It has one boiler and a thermoblock for the steam.  It has 2 pumps, hence the "duo" in the name.  

Posted February 28, 2011 link

So I think I've narrowed it down to the aformentioned and one of the Lelit's:

Click Here (www.idrinkcoffee.com)

Would you suggest going with one over the others?

 
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Posted Mon Feb 28, 2011, 5:32pm
Subject: Re: Help me buy a decent espresso machine, please!
 

justpete Said:

So I think I've narrowed it down to the aformentioned and one of the Lelit's:

Click Here (www.idrinkcoffee.com)

Would you suggest going with one over the others?

Posted February 28, 2011 link

Having the PID on the Lelit would be very nice if the extra 200 isn't too much of a stretch.  In other words, leave money for a grinder.  You'd be better off with a Lelit without PID and a good grinder than with the PID model and no grinder. It's good that the Acaso comes with a grinder, but that's getting into serious money.  Also, that's a US site and I doubt the shipping will be free to Canada.  If it were me spending $900 plus shipping, I'd save for a while longer and get something like a Bezzera BZ-series, which seem to be easy enough to find from Canadian dealers.
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Posted Mon Feb 28, 2011, 5:38pm
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rotwang Said:

Having the PID on the Lelit would be very nice if the extra 200 isn't too much of a stretch.  In other words, leave money for a grinder.  You'd be better off with a Lelit without PID and a good grinder than with the PID model and no grinder. It's good that the Acaso comes with a grinder, but that's getting into serious money.  Also, that's a US site and I doubt the shipping will be free to Canada.  If it were me spending $900 plus shipping, I'd save for a while longer and get something like a Bezzera BZ-series, which seem to be easy enough to find from Canadian dealers.

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By the time I get the Lelit w/ the Pid and a grinder, I'm at $900 anyway, right?    I've managed to get the same deal that I would from the US site in Canada... it's not really a matter of saving the money, it's more a matter of *spending* the money.  Once I get to the Bezzera, I'm spending $1500+ (tax, grinder, shipping, etc.) for something I use twice a week (if that), as opposed to $1000...   I'm not that serious about Espresso, so I'm having trouble making the jump from $1000 to $1500.. ya know?  Hard to explain, I think.

 
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Posted Mon Feb 28, 2011, 6:15pm
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justpete Said:

By the time I get the Lelit w/ the Pid and a grinder, I'm at $900 anyway, right?    I've managed to get the same deal that I would from the US site in Canada... it's not really a matter of saving the money, it's more a matter of *spending* the money.  Once I get to the Bezzera, I'm spending $1500+ (tax, grinder, shipping, etc.)

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Nah...BZ99 = $1,150 2 Porlex hand grinders= $150, total $1,300.  Anyway, of the other choices around $900, I'd go with the PID Lelit + PL53 grinder based on a little better reputation and the fact that you'll save a bit with the free tamper, frothing pitcher and whatnot (I guess you'll have the pitcher already though..).  It might be worth calling idrinkcoffee to see if they'll knock a few dollars off the pl53 like they do the pl43.
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Posted Mon Feb 28, 2011, 6:34pm
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rotwang Said:

Nah...BZ99 = $1,150 2 Porlex hand grinders= $150, total $1,300.  Anyway, of the other choices around $900, I'd go with the PID Lelit + PL53 grinder based on a little better reputation and the fact that you'll save a bit with the free tamper, frothing pitcher and whatnot (I guess you'll have the pitcher already though..).  It might be worth calling idrinkcoffee to see if they'll knock a few dollars off the pl53 like they do the pl43.

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The only thing is that the other one is a Duo, where the Lelit is just a single - so I'd have to wait between making each espresso. I guess there's really no solution except for spending more money or just dealing with the cool down/warmup times.  I'd get the free Tamper with the Duo too.

 
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Posted Mon Feb 28, 2011, 6:47pm
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Just to give you a head's up... if you contact some of the Canadian vendors, they may have a refurbished model or demo model for a significant discount.  I just picked up a DB machine that was a demo at CaffeTech at 40% off.  But that goes for grinders as well.  Baratza has a refurbished section right on their website.  Something to check out before you go buying something new.

 
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Posted Mon Feb 28, 2011, 7:37pm
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espressobecky Said:

Just to give you a head's up... if you contact some of the Canadian vendors, they may have a refurbished model or demo model for a significant discount.  I just picked up a DB machine that was a demo at CaffeTech at 40% off.  But that goes for grinders as well.  Baratza has a refurbished section right on their website.  Something to check out before you go buying something new.

Posted February 28, 2011 link

Thanks for the tip, Becky. I emailed them.

 
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