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biochemgawd
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 3:03pm
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On a more positive note... my BDB experience has been wonderful.

Not a single problem in 495 days with over 1500 shots pulled.

Except some very nice cappuccinos.

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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 3:06pm
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biochemgawd Said:

On a more positive note... my BDB experience has been wonderful.

Not a single problem in 495 days with over 1500 shots pulled.

Except some very nice cappuccinos.

Posted April 14, 2013 link

Is this from an original machine and were any adjustments made since purchasing?
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biochemgawd
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 3:16pm
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:-) why, thinking of buying one?

seriously though, I have two BDB (one for work, one at home). Both were purchased in late 2011 on sale for $900, so they are likely relatively early builds. One had the OPV set too high (11.5 bar) and I fixed it myself in about 10 minutes.

Who knows how long they'll last - in the meantime I am very happy with my purchases.
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 3:52pm
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biochemgawd Said:

One had the OPV set too high (11.5 bar) and I fixed it myself in about 10 minutes..

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Is that 11.5 bar number when using a blind basket? If so, what did you set yours to? I've used a single blind basket and it goes to 11.25 bar.
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biochemgawd
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 4:11pm
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I set mine to 9.5 bar using a blind basket. Minor but noticeable difference in espresso taste.
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 6:50pm
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I seriously applaud Brevilles dedication and commitment to customer service and the manner in which they stand behind their products.  My 1st machine suffered an unusual pressure failure after seven months of trouble free daily use.  The service department phone responses could not have been more professional or empathetic.  The replacement machine was in my hands in 4 business days.

It is very obvious to me that they are boldly going into a very high end market and that they are committed to keeping the burden of a fairly steep learning curve on themselves and not on the consumer.

I have the highest rated Panasonic plasma 3D/HD big screen TVs and their customer service is completely opposite that of Breville.  Panasonic gets out of their responsibilities and commitments any way possible and leaves their consumers holding the bag.  I can pretty much say the same thing about the way Lexus tries to screw consumers on known service issues and widely known design failures.

So, bravo Breville!  Keep up the innovations and the customer service dedication and you folks will be huge winners in the coffee game.
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Park_Ridge_Dave
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 5:19am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

biochemgawd Said:

I set mine to 9.5 bar using a blind basket. Minor but noticeable difference in espresso taste.

Posted April 14, 2013 link

The setting of the OPV limits the Maximum pressure that the machine goes to with a "blind" PF (rubber blank e.g.). When the pressure get above the set point, the valve opens to "dump" the excess pressure to the tray on the machine (e.g. the clean/flush cycles).

You really shouldn't set the OPV max pressure much below 10 bar. Otherwise the valve will function on almost every shot (i.e. OPV set to 9.25 bar). That will, almost certainly, shorten the service life of the OPV and lead to premature failure. Mine came from the factory set to about 10.25-10.5 bar.

Now when I make a shot I adjust Grind and Tamp to get a 9.0 bar (ideally) pressure drop across the charged basket (ymmv). The OPV should not have to open to regulate the pressure. The operator sets the pressure through the adjustment(s) to the charge. If the pressure is too high (i.e. 10 bar) you have too fine a grind or too hard a tamp. Conversely, if the shot pressure is too low, (i.e. 8.0 bard) you have too coarse a grind or too light a tamp.

Cheers,

Dave

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Don't forget to stop and smell the coffee...... er flowers!
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biochemgawd
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 7:36am
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That makes sense. Most of my shots are pegging the max - I'll have to adjust upwards.
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wjordan
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 8:16am
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Quick question(s)...

For every shot I pull, my sequence is empty PF single shot (to warm PF), manual shot for extraction, single shot to cleanse group head (no PF attached), followed by a wipe down of the shower head. I don't do a backflush.

  1. Is the lack of backflushing a problem? What damage/problem could I be causing?
  2. Given I'm running 2 blank shots (1 pre, 1 post), my shot counter is probably inflated. Is there any method for pre and post activities that doesn't cycle the shot counter?

Thanks!
Wayne
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 8:31am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

If you hold down the single or double button (without releasing it) you'll get a flush @ full pressure and this isn't supposed to add to your shot counter. Also, aborting a shot before 7 seconds will do the same from what I've read here.

As far as backflushing goes- Somewhere here or at CS the word was Phil recommended doing a back flush at the end of a session. No chemical, just water. I see some grinds when I do this, so I assume it does something good.

That's my understanding of it all. :)
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