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bseiden
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Posted Mon Feb 6, 2012, 9:51am
Subject: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

Hi Everyone I am looking to upgrade from Silvia.  I drink Espresso and my wife drinks cappucinos.  Anyone who has seen both have any thoughts?  The Breville Appears smaller and maybe pulls more current, not a big deal, but something to consider.  I am looking at a used rocket vs new Breville.

Thanks Forum people.

-Ben
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Posted Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:10am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

You haven't provided enough information for anyone to provide an objective answer.   Everyone will just tell you how great the machine of their choice is.   Based on previous postings like this, you'll just end up overwhelmed by all of the options being presented (Rocket, QuickMill, Oscar, Breville, Izzo).

I would recommend getting a better feel for your requirements and doing more research on the machines.  There are plenty of reviews of the popular machines on this web site.  It's your money.  The more knowledgeable you are then the happier you'll be with your machine choice.
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Posted Tue Feb 7, 2012, 5:44am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

All I can add to the above, is that Breville has a very BAD rep for quality in the U.S. Other places, perhaps not so much but they are not a name plate of quality in the U.S. On paper it looks good and there are several members of the board who have them and are quite happy with them but I am not (will not) risk any money on them until at least the rep of the company is turned around (if only for this one machine) by this machine.

 
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Posted Tue Feb 7, 2012, 6:16am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

OK, let's take it from the top . . .

Standard Questions:
1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at ay one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pourover machine with its own reservoir?
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?
6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?

Now, before the hoardes rise up en masse, let me say I completely agree that Breville is a company with -- historically -- a bad reputation, but I will also agree with Wayne that, "on paper (the BDB) looks good" and that "several members of the board . . . are quite happy" with their machines.  Personally, while I think early reports look good, I also think the "bloom is still on the rose," so to speak, and I will wait until this machine is on the market for a year or two before I would feel comfortable recommending it.

Cheers,
Jason

 
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Posted Tue Feb 7, 2012, 1:21pm
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

calblacksmith Said:

I am not (will not) risk any money on them until at least the rep of the company is turned around (if only for this one machine) by this machine.

Posted February 7, 2012 link

+1

The price is attractive when compared to the Rocket comparable machines. Breville's marketing plan for the machine is exactly that people would mentally classify it with prosumer machines hence pumping it on the hobby websites. The problem is it's a consumer product though a nice one. The companies reputation and the fact that it is disposeable machnie fix it firmly in this the consumer class.  Make your best judgement and you may still arrive at the Breville but Be not decieved by marketing in any form.

 
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bseiden
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Posted Tue Feb 7, 2012, 2:58pm
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

Standard Questions:
1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)
     Answer:  Mainly straight espresso and Cappucinos, occasionally something more exotic, but maybe once a month.
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at ay one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)
     Answer:90% of time two double shots and milk frothing, nothing more.  When we have company possibly more, but not more than 4-6 pulls of espresso
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)
     Answer:10-20 a week
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pourover machine with its own reservoir?
     Answer:no Plumb in, must be tank based machine
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?
     Answer: Only a 15 amp circuit, shares with Garbage disposal.
6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?
    Grinder is not included but I have A Doserless Rocky.
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Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Wed Feb 8, 2012, 6:04am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

You will want to upgrade that grinder. Rocky is OK for a Silvia class machine but the Rocket will quickly show Rocky's limitations.

The rest of it, it looks to me, like you would we well served by a HX type machine, the mix of milk drinks tends to favor HX or DB  machines, once they are no longer the hassle to make that they are on a SBDU machine, I think you may just find yourself making more of them. Nothing wrong with that! I drink about 80/20, milk / shots myself.

Plumb in can be done with a stand alone pump and waste water bottle so if a good deal comes up on a plumb in machine, snag it! The ease of use with a plumb in.... even with a pump/waste bottle is so much higher that this feature alone ALMOST puts it in a different class of machine!

 
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Posted Wed Feb 8, 2012, 6:35am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

bseiden Said:

6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?
    Grinder is not included but I have A Doserless Rocky.

Posted February 7, 2012 link

And the budget is . . . ???  ;^)

Seriously, as you've probably discovered, prices range from "less than a Silvia" to more than $10,000 -- even $20,000!  IF you can afford an HX, it will be a huge step-up from an SBDU, and well worth it.

 
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bseiden
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Posted Wed Feb 8, 2012, 6:51am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

Hi everyone thanks for the advice. I am looking to limit the machine cost to 1300. I am also concerned about ease of use and noise. The breville seems to be very well thought out,  but the rocket will outlast me.
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Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Wed Feb 8, 2012, 7:08am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

Well, between these two -- as you have probably gathered -- I would pick the Giotto Premium in a heartbeat over the BDB.  I am guessing Wayne would agree.  ;^)  The Rocket may outlast you, but certainly you won't be worried about build quality!

 
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