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Posted Mon Feb 13, 2012, 4:29pm
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

In before the thread gets locked...

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Tue Feb 14, 2012, 7:33am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

No worries from here, I'm done, let the topic drift.

 
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Posted Tue Feb 14, 2012, 1:32pm
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

Dear Ben,

If you read my posts, you will quickly learn that I am a newcomer to quality espresso and have relied upon the advice of this group to make decisions.  Aftre purchasing both a new espresso machine and grinder (and using FRESH coffee), I am thrilled with both the advice and my purchases.

Having said that, for the most part, I cannot comment on other machines except to say that when I saw the machines in person, they were bigger than I expected.  This pushed the Bezzera up on my list.    

So, you asked

bseiden Said:

 If Anyone has thoughts on a great machine for 1200 or less Please let me know.

Posted February 13, 2012 link

 This is the machine I bought:  http://www.1st-line.com/machines/home_mod/bezzera/Bezzera_BZ07_semi.htm

(I bought the Le'lit PL 53 grinder that suits me well too.)

This machine gets great reviews and meets your price range.  I love it - others may be better; I don't know.  I do know that the price was right for me and the size fit my needs.  I will also say that I like the look and actually prefer the levers to turning knobs.  It's a compact machine and looks great in the house.  I did not get the E61 grouphead that seems important, but the one that came with this machine seems fine to me.  I have been inside the machine and it seems well made.

Initially, I threw away so many shots that I could not count them all.  In retrospect, this was a function of two things:  user error and bad coffee.  Now, after about 3 weeks of making espresso with quality coffee, and with the constant direction of several members here, I can state unequivocally that making the decision to buy a quality machine was a good one for me.  I take very little credit for the final decision - I am just happy that I have my espresso machine.

So, take a look at the Bezzera reviews and see if it works for you.  I look forward to my espresso drinks (lattes) every morining.

Good luck,

Chris
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Posted Tue Feb 14, 2012, 2:08pm
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

Here's one from 1st line that is refurbished:  http://www.1st-line.net/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=BZ07spmDEMO&type=store

$1079.


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Posted Tue Feb 14, 2012, 5:48pm
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

Now there's a brilliant HX alternative in the Bezzera for the price.  Good suggestion Chris.  A little bigger than the silvia but not too much bigger so maybe that's a plus as well if benchspace is an issue.  Note it is not a real E61 grouphead but I don't think you were looking specifically for an E61 anyway...so I think it's a brilliant option to the two already discussed.
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Posted Tue Feb 14, 2012, 5:58pm
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

ccolton Said:

Here's one from 1st line that is refurbished:  http://www.1st-line.net/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=BZ07spmDEMO&type=store

$1079.


Chris

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I saw that but I wouldn't buy a refurb at that price since a brand new one isn't much more.  Consider that you have to pay for shipping on a refurb unit which is probably at least $40 bucks and you only get a 30 day warranty.  With a new one you get free shipping and 1 yr parts and 90 day labor warranty.  You save less than $100 (probably closer to $80).  Not worth it for a refurb in my opinion.
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Posted Tue Feb 14, 2012, 6:51pm
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

Bezzera uses a dual cartridge, thermostatically-controlled electric heater to stabilize the group temp in most of their high-end prosumer and professional machines. It's an interesting technical system.

 
"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince
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Posted Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:23am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Silvia Rocket Giotto Prem+ vs. Breville Dual Broiler
 

Not sure why everyone is getting upset with a guy excited about his new machine. You were all there at one point. I just got the BDB and it is very nice. It is my first prosumer machine, if you are willing to call it that. I was looking at the Giotto and am still wondering if I made a bad decision. I guess I was willing to take the durability risk to get cool features. Only time will tell if it holds up. By the time the BDB breaks, there will probably be a Giotto Version 5.
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