He had buyers' remorse about a week or two after it arrived. It has degraded more towards something that will require professional diagnosis to quantify. it has gone through needing to adjust the brew pressure, obsessing on measuring the brew temperature, and now paranoia over the materials the machine is made of.
"He was always so quiet. Then the espresso machine suddenly flew through the window into the backyard pool, and it all went crazy after that."
dman777 Senior Member Joined: 26 Dec 2011 Posts: 236 Location: austin Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: Silvia- No PID Grinder: Compak k3 touch Drip: french press
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2012, 6:44pm Subject: Re: Steel Boilers- What are my Espresso Machine Choices?
frcn Said:
He had buyers' remorse about a week or two after it arrived. It has degraded more towards something that will require professional diagnosis to quantify. it has gone through needing to adjust the brew pressure, obsessing on measuring the brew temperature, and now paranoia over the materials the machine is made of.
"He was always so quiet. Then the espresso machine suddenly flew through the window into the backyard pool, and it all went crazy after that."
No, not so. I have grown comfortable with my machine. And would it not be hypocritical for you to lay claim that I obsess on brew temperature, brew pressure, and materials of the machine when you have a Espresso machine that costs $2,650.00? Surely you can get an espresso from a $500.00 machine, yes?
chasemonster Senior Member Joined: 3 Jun 2010 Posts: 364 Location: Chicago Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Rancilio Audrey Grinder: Hario Mini Mill Drip: V60
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2012, 7:43pm Subject: Re: Steel Boilers- What are my Espresso Machine Choices?
dman777 Said:
And would it not be hypocritical for you to lay claim that I obsess on brew temperature, brew pressure, and materials of the machine when you have a Espresso machine that costs $2,650.00? Surely you can get an espresso from a $500.00 machine, yes?
ROFLMAO!!! Of course it's hypocritical! And as far as him being able to make espresso with a $500 machine? That is a NEGATIVE!
"FRCN" knows how fix an espresso machine, but he doesn't know how to make espresso. He has told the story many times of how he spent 6 1/2 years trying to get his Rancilio Silvia to make espresso, but couldn't do it. That would be like you or me spending 6 1/2 years trying to figure out how to fry an egg sunny side up! In the end, his only recourse was to buy an over-priced 100 pound tank of an espresso machine that removes all of the skill out of the equation, and that any 5 year-old could operate given 10 minutes of instruction.
I am not trying to insult "FRCN" He has a valuable skill for this forum, -that being understanding how to fix an espresso machine. But that doesn't translate to understanding how to Make quality espresso. I would no more believe that "FRCN" knows how to make quality espresso, than I would believe that the oven repairman in my kitchen, bent over with his butt crack showing and fixing my stove is a master chef!
mhborstad Senior Member Joined: 18 Feb 2012 Posts: 31 Location: Gatineau Expertise: I like coffee
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2012, 7:47pm Subject: Re: Steel Boilers- What are my Espresso Machine Choices?
Darin - a couple dozen machines with SS boilers have been offered, many of which are nowhere close to touching your Silvia, and others that are a step above, regardless of materials.
You're being given a hard time for sure, but your threads also have TONS of good advice offered.
Brass isn't cheaper than steel in any universe that involves actual production. The old-fashioned copper/brass systems have persisted mostly due to momentum, and that they're easier to handcraft. The mass market stuff has long-since gone the way of SS, for good reason. SS runs into issues when it come to connecting it with stuff... The solution at least half the time is plastics. Pick your poison.
This is running toward another pile-on thread. BUT - You have the info you wanted already (list of SS boiler machines) - why not compile a table from what was returned and post that? A list of SS boiler machines and price points, or numbers from your lead test, or a discussion of material costs vs manufacturing demands would be a great contribution! That's valued in any online community.
I have a new BZ10 purchased about the same time you got your Silvia. It took a month and several pounds of coffee to make the breakthrough, but we have access to a goldmine in this and other forums. Stick with it.
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2012, 8:18pm Subject: Re: Steel Boilers- What are my Espresso Machine Choices?
chasemonster Said:
ROFLMAO!!! Of course it's hypocritical! And as far as him being able to make espresso with a $500 machine? That is a NEGATIVE! "FRCN" knows how fix an espresso machine, but he doesn't know how to make espresso.
Why do you always whine for the mods when things don't go your way. You can sure dish it out -I guess for some reason you think that you are entitled to insult others, but when you feel that you have been insulted, whether it is all in your head, or not, you whine for the mods to come help you!
Here is your post from above:
frcn Said:
He had buyers' remorse about a week or two after it arrived. It has degraded more towards something that will require professional diagnosis to quantify. it has gone through needing to adjust the brew pressure, obsessing on measuring the brew temperature, and now paranoia over the materials the machine is made of.
"He was always so quiet. Then the espresso machine suddenly flew through the window into the backyard pool, and it all went crazy after that."
Now are we all supposed to be stupid here except you? Because I can read quite clearly from this insulting post of yours that you just called another coffeegeek member: Paranoid, Crazy, And in need of a Psychiatrist.
My, my! Don't you think you should put out an alert for the mods to come and investigate this!!?
That is a very good question. I use Ozarka Spring Water and I still have some of the same jug. I already ordered another test kit($24.00 for a lead test kinda hurts, but I want to find out) from amazon and should be here on Thursday.
Vivaldi Senior Member Joined: 3 Nov 2010 Posts: 171 Location: Minnesota Expertise: Pro Roaster
Espresso: Spaziale Vivaldi II Grinder: Mazzer Super Jolly Drip: Technivorm Roaster: Hottop
Posted Mon Feb 20, 2012, 9:43pm Subject: Re: Steel Boilers- What are my Espresso Machine Choices?
I don't want to get too far into this debate, but with a HX machine, the water in your espresso isn't going into the boiler. For an HX machine, the discussion would be more about what the HX is made of...right? Are there SS HX's?
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