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CafeRetro
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Posted Tue May 1, 2012, 4:50pm
Subject: California Proposition 65 compliant Espresso machine
 

I'm searching for a $1500-$2000 espresso machine, hoping to find something in either HX or double boiler along with rotary pump. Is there anything out there that does not require the Prop. 65 warning label?
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Posted Tue May 1, 2012, 4:59pm
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Not an answer to your question, but you may want to give this thread a quick read. For amusement if nothing else:

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Posted Wed May 2, 2012, 7:07am
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You're in Michigan - who the **** cares???  It only causes cancer here in California . . .

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Posted Sat May 5, 2012, 7:22am
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Apparently no one has this information or doesn't feel it's a valid enough subject to remark on it. Time will only tell if this is a real concern in the industry. In the forthcoming years, it will be interesting to see if the industry responds and how as far as new product.

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Posted Sat May 5, 2012, 7:28am
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CafeRetro Said:

Apparently no one has this information or doesn't feel it's a valid enough subject to remark on it. Time will only tell if this is a real concern in the industry. In the forthcoming years, it will be interesting to see if the industry responds and how as far as new product.

Caferetro

Posted May 5, 2012 link

Actually there are thousands of posts around the coffee forums on the subject of lead, aluminum, plastics and whatever else may be harmful. They almost always  degrade into bickering and full of people's opinions yet there are some good links to real studies. A search should find you days of reading on the subject. As far as Ca paragraph 65 I believe it was a tape measure that I had that had the warning on it, this is why you will not find many threads about the subject that are taken very seriously.
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Posted Sat May 5, 2012, 1:36pm
Subject: Re: California Pargraph 65 compliant Espresso machine
 

I don't remember there being a para 65 label on my Breville Dual Boiler.
Given its mostly stainless steel construction, that may be right.

But as others have said, really this is a pretty tiny issue for most of us.
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Posted Sat May 5, 2012, 2:09pm
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Thanks for taking the time to answer my original question.
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JJC Said:

I don't remember there being a para 65 label on my Breville Dual Boiler.
Given its mostly stainless steel construction, that may be right.

But as others have said, really this is a pretty tiny issue for most of us.

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Posted Sat May 5, 2012, 3:17pm
Subject: Re: California Pargraph 65 compliant Espresso machine
 

CafeRetro Said:

I'm searching for a $1500-$2000 espresso machine, hoping to find something in either HX or double boiler along with rotary pump. Is there anything out there that does not require the Par. 65 warning label?
Thanks,
Caferetro

Posted May 1, 2012 link

as far as I know, when California came out with paragraph 65 they were dealing mostly with water taps, and the answer was that Italian tap manufacturers got together and made a consortium that developped and patented "RUVECO"
Ruveco is an industrial process that effectively removes surface lead from machined untreated brass components, so greatly reducing lead in drinking water (it was already minimum and considered safe)- just run a Google search for Ruveco, if you want to learn more.....
That process is applied to espresso machines components and there are, and will be more, machines that do not need Par.65 warning label:
Still I find it silly to include such label in machines that are not going to California, causing unnecessary worries and much more because now the technology is there and should in fact be used as selling argument...
Commercial confidentiality forbids me making names..,
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Posted Sat May 5, 2012, 6:15pm
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JJC Said:

I don't remember there being a para 65 label on my Breville Dual Boiler.
Given its mostly stainless steel construction, that may be right.

But as others have said, really this is a pretty tiny issue for most of us.

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Did you buy it in CA or order it from outside? Seems to me if my memory serves me ( it usually doesn't) that a product being sold in CA will have the sticker but the rest of us in the US are immune to such. Off subject but I wonder if the glue they use to adhere the sticker needs a label as well?
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Posted Sat May 5, 2012, 6:27pm
Subject: Re: California Pargraph 65 compliant Espresso machine
 

The replacement for the OPV issue came from within CA.
The original from SCG.

But I would expect, that since the Breville USA office is in LA, all machines would have the label if needed.

Yes, the subtleties of dose in relation to toxicity are generally lost on the non-scientists.
But then science has gotten things wrong sometimes.
And the aggregate effects of toxins in our environment is really unevaluated.
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