CafeRetro Senior Member Joined: 25 Jan 2003 Posts: 57 Location: Saginaw
Posted Tue May 1, 2012, 4:50pm Subject: California Proposition 65 compliant Espresso machine
I'm searching for a $1500-$2000 espresso machine, hoping to find something in either HX or double boiler along with rotary pump. Is there anything out there that does not require the Prop. 65 warning label? Thanks, Caferetro
CafeRetro Senior Member Joined: 25 Jan 2003 Posts: 57 Location: Saginaw
Posted Sat May 5, 2012, 7:22am Subject: Re: California Proposition 65 compliant Espresso machine
Apparently no one has this information or doesn't feel it's a valid enough subject to remark on it. Time will only tell if this is a real concern in the industry. In the forthcoming years, it will be interesting to see if the industry responds and how as far as new product.
germantownrob Senior Member Joined: 2 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,041 Location: Philadelphia Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Sat May 5, 2012, 7:28am Subject: Re: California Pargraph 65 compliant Espresso machine
CafeRetro Said:
Apparently no one has this information or doesn't feel it's a valid enough subject to remark on it. Time will only tell if this is a real concern in the industry. In the forthcoming years, it will be interesting to see if the industry responds and how as far as new product.
Actually there are thousands of posts around the coffee forums on the subject of lead, aluminum, plastics and whatever else may be harmful. They almost always degrade into bickering and full of people's opinions yet there are some good links to real studies. A search should find you days of reading on the subject. As far as Ca paragraph 65 I believe it was a tape measure that I had that had the warning on it, this is why you will not find many threads about the subject that are taken very seriously.
cappuccinoboy Senior Member Joined: 27 Jun 2009 Posts: 793 Location: MILANO Expertise: Professional
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Posted Sat May 5, 2012, 3:17pm Subject: Re: California Pargraph 65 compliant Espresso machine
CafeRetro Said:
I'm searching for a $1500-$2000 espresso machine, hoping to find something in either HX or double boiler along with rotary pump. Is there anything out there that does not require the Par. 65 warning label? Thanks, Caferetro
as far as I know, when California came out with paragraph 65 they were dealing mostly with water taps, and the answer was that Italian tap manufacturers got together and made a consortium that developped and patented "RUVECO" Ruveco is an industrial process that effectively removes surface lead from machined untreated brass components, so greatly reducing lead in drinking water (it was already minimum and considered safe)- just run a Google search for Ruveco, if you want to learn more..... That process is applied to espresso machines components and there are, and will be more, machines that do not need Par.65 warning label: Still I find it silly to include such label in machines that are not going to California, causing unnecessary worries and much more because now the technology is there and should in fact be used as selling argument... Commercial confidentiality forbids me making names.., Ciao, Pietro
Did you buy it in CA or order it from outside? Seems to me if my memory serves me ( it usually doesn't) that a product being sold in CA will have the sticker but the rest of us in the US are immune to such. Off subject but I wonder if the glue they use to adhere the sticker needs a label as well?
Posted Sat May 5, 2012, 6:27pm Subject: Re: California Pargraph 65 compliant Espresso machine
The replacement for the OPV issue came from within CA. The original from SCG.
But I would expect, that since the Breville USA office is in LA, all machines would have the label if needed.
Yes, the subtleties of dose in relation to toxicity are generally lost on the non-scientists. But then science has gotten things wrong sometimes. And the aggregate effects of toxins in our environment is really unevaluated.
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