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Samson
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Posted Sat May 26, 2012, 9:47pm
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Maximum budget is 1500$ I already own a Baratza Vario.
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Samson
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Posted Sat May 26, 2012, 9:49pm
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Some people say ECM Germany is more reliable that Rocket but since they are hard to find in North America, not a lot of people have reviewed them.
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MikeReilly
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Espresso: Cimbali Junior Gaggia...
Grinder: Pharos CC45 Mazzer Mini
Drip: Cuisinart
Roaster: Behmor, I-Roast 2, Popper
Posted Sun May 27, 2012, 12:57pm
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Basically once you get in to HX and DB level machines, your shot quality won't change dramatically from one to the next.  Mostly what you pay for are features and convenience: rotary vs vibe pumps, hot water wands (the main thing lacking in the Oscar), PID in DB's, etc.  Most machines in this category are pretty darned well built.  Bezzera, Rocket/ECM, Quickmill, etc. all make good machines.  A Bezzera BZ07 or BZ02 would be fine, as would any of the entry level HX machines from other companies.  There is a LOT more variance in barista skills than there is in machine capabilities, and that's what will make the difference for you.  A decent HX machine with your grinder is capable of making awesome shots.  One of the only machine dependent factors (and it's relatively minor in the grand scheme of things) is preinfusion from an e61 group vs. other group head hx designs.  My machine has it's own HX system that requires s different flushing technique than the e61.  I'm a slow learner and it took me a while to master it.  Don't be too hesitant to go used on machines.  I knew nothing about espresso machines before I bought mine, and had more things to fix on it than most used machines, but it didn't turn out to be very hard and the folks both here and on home-barista were very helpful.  Previously the closest I'd come to this kind of work was swapping the taps in my bathroom.
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Coffeenoobie
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Espresso: N S Oscar
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Posted Sun May 27, 2012, 1:15pm
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I second what Mike said, I bought used to get more machine than I could afford new. Fixed stuff and feel really good I can take care of my machine for years to come.

 
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