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slim4511
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Posted Thu Jun 14, 2012, 7:06pm
Subject: Options to consider?  I think I know the features I want.
 

Brand new to the home espresso thing.  After reading an awful lot on this forum, I believe I know what the features are that I would prefer in a machine.  I would expect to make a couple of double shots about 3 or 4 times per day.  I would want a steam arm even though I think steaming would be an infrequent use as we rarely drink milk containing espressos.  I guess I am saying that the steaming capability does not need to be top notch but does need to be present.  I very much want ease of use so keep that in mind as a general statement.  I would like a PID and would love a timer so that it would be able to draw a shot pretty much as soon as I get up for work.  I know that I could connect an external timer but would prefer it to be part of the machine.  I am not hung up on whether it needs to be an HX or DB machine as I don't know enough about the differences so no restrictions there.  I doubt that I would ever plumb in the water supply but would like the option at some point.  That means the Vetrano is out as it is plumb in only.  You get the point.  I am willing to pay for quality and have set a budget of $1,700 for the machine only.  Please identify possible options for me to investigate because at this point I am experiencing analysis paralysis.  Much appreciated.
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Posted Thu Jun 14, 2012, 7:38pm
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How about this.
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012, 4:47am
Subject: Re: Options to consider?  I think I know the features I want.
 

Thanks for the reply.  Unfortunately, I have been all over the internet (mostly this forum) trying to sort it all out.  That said, I figured the experts on this forum would be my best chance of identifying the machines that I should be strongly considering.
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:53am
Subject: Re: Options to consider?  I think I know the features I want.
 

There is no perfect machine. All we can do is point you at machines that have the features and styling while staying in the budget you state.

Your work preferences coffee likes an volume needs will also help with narrowing down the search.

Do you have any specific needs or issues you need help with?

 
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012, 1:21pm
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You say $1,700 for machine only. You will need a decent grinder. With out this no matter what machine you get, you will not get good results in the cup!
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012, 1:33pm
Subject: Re: Options to consider?  I think I know the features I want.
 

calblacksmith Said:

Your work preferences coffee likes an volume needs will also help with narrowing down the search.

Posted June 15, 2012 link

Are you stuck in traffic again, Wayne?


yeah, a grinder...are you considering buying one?  or do you already have one?  If so, what do you have?

 
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012, 4:21pm
Subject: Re: Options to consider?  I think I know the features I want.
 

Uh what made you ask that ;)
I post from the road more often than one might guess ;<O

 
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012, 4:30pm
Subject: Re: Options to consider?  I think I know the features I want.
 

slim4511 Said:

I am not hung up on whether it needs to be an HX or DB machine as I don't know enough about the differences so no restrictions there.

Posted June 14, 2012 link

Here is a great read:
http://www.1st-line.com/cofffact/hx-vs-db.htm
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012, 6:28pm
Subject: Re: Options to consider?  I think I know the features I want.
 

I have the grinder narrowed down to either the Vario W or Mazzer Mini.  As far as needs for the machine, ease of being able to reproduce great tasting espresso is my main concern.  I believe as a newbie, a PID will help accomplish that.  I would also like to have an internal timer in order to have it be ready when I get up in the morning.  I realize that $1700 is probably more than enough for the light use it will get but I am interested in quality and not afraid to pay for it.
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Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Tue Jun 19, 2012, 6:09am
Subject: Re: Options to consider?  I think I know the features I want.
 

A PID's value changes depending on what type of machine you are using.
On a SBDU or Double Boiler machine, a PID will help you to be more consistent. On  a Heat Exchanger machine, the value is questionable at best.

Great espresso has been made for nearly a hundred years without a PID so it can be done. Need is one thing and desire is another. The same is true for a built in timer. This is a "feature" you will see mainly on CONSUMER grade machines. The COMMERCIAL machines for the most part do not have or need a built in timer.

 
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