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wvango
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Posted Thu Jun 28, 2012, 8:46pm
Subject: WMF Bistro Superautomatic Cappuccino/Espresso Commercial Machine
 

I am new to this site and looking for some suggestions.  I might be picking this machine up as part of a Barter that I need to finalize. Does anyone know anything about these. How much they are worth? And what would be the easiest way to sell or flip it?

This is some of the info that the guy told me about this:

This is the Real Deal. A commercial, Superautomatic Cappuccino/Espresso Machine. This is the WMF Bistro. Comes with the matching milk cooler. Just this option, used, runs about a grand.

I just got this out of the shop and, quite frankly, have too much coffee stuff (if there is such a thing...my wife thinks so), so I am cutting back. The Espresso experts in KC just went through this machine, replaced a fuse, replaced a couple of seals, and fully tested the machine. These guys are good and said this thing is ready to crank out some serious coffee.

Designed to be super easy to use, this superautomatic is a one-step machine...choose your drink, press the button, and serve. This machine will grind, tap, pull the shots, and steam the milk...you add the flavor and that is it.

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Posted Fri Jun 29, 2012, 5:54am
Subject: Re: WMF Bistro Superautomatic Cappuccino/Espresso Commercial Machine
 

Yep, that is what superautomatics do and that is why we are not very fond of them here. No matter how advanced the electronics and programing is, it will never match the skill of a person who can make the adjustments need as they need to happen.

Even commercial superautos do not have a high rep here, they tend to break down more often than automatic or semi automatic equipment and they make a lessor grade of espresso.

Value.... whatever someone will pay for it.

 
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Posted Fri Jun 29, 2012, 8:21am
Subject: Re: WMF Bistro Superautomatic Cappuccino/Espresso Commercial Machine
 

wvango Said:

I am new to this site and looking for some suggestions. ..................

This is the Real Deal. A commercial, Superautomatic Cappuccino/Espresso Machine. This is the WMF Bistro. Comes with the matching milk cooler. Just this option, used, runs about a grand.

I..................

Designed to be super easy to use, this superautomatic is a one-step machine...choose your drink, press the button, and serve. This machine will grind, tap, pull the shots, and steam the milk...you add the flavor and that is it.

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Posted Fri Jun 29, 2012, 8:37am
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wvango Said:

I am new to this site and looking for some suggestions........................

This is the Real Deal. A commercial, Superautomatic Cappuccino/Espresso Machine. This is the WMF Bistro. Comes with the matching milk cooler. Just this option, used, runs about a grand.

............
Designed to be super easy to use, this superautomatic is a one-step machine...choose your drink, press the button, and serve. This machine will grind, tap, pull the shots, and steam the milk...you add the flavor and that is it.

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It seems to me that you are thinking of putting this machine in use in your house, apart from any other considerations, WOULD you buy a bus when all you need is a city car or even a full size one ?? just because buying price looks attractive ???
Superauto is a good option for convenience;  for quality you need to use same care as with traditional machines when it comes to grinder adjusting, since no superauto is yet intelligent to adjust itself, still a good superauto, if propelry set, is capable of brewing top espresso, no matter what geeks, who probably never used a good superauto, say
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Posted Fri Jun 29, 2012, 8:49am
Subject: Re: WMF Bistro Superautomatic Cappuccino/Espresso Commercial Machine
 

Well the deal with machine is that I am BARTERING, with a vehicle that is worth$8800. The person is offering a 2008 Hot Tub (app value $4000), this machine and a 1994 Mercedew Benz (app value $4000). I just do not know what something like this is really worth. So not buying for my home, just trying to learn about it and its value. Appreciate the posts...
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Posted Fri Jun 29, 2012, 9:08am
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wvango Said:

Well the deal with machine is that I am BARTERING, with a vehicle that is worth$8800. The person is offering a 2008 Hot Tub (app value $4000), this machine and a 1994 Mercedew Benz (app value $4000). I just do not know what something like this is really worth. So not buying for my home, just trying to learn about it and its value. Appreciate the posts...

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If you happen to know any restaurant owner, it should not be difficult to pass over the deal on the WMF Bistro for $ 2,000, which would make your barter profitable on the basis of values that you quote...
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Posted Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:08am
Subject: Re: WMF Bistro Superautomatic Cappuccino/Espresso Commercial Machine
 

If you're not interested in keeping it, that implies you want to sell it. Odds are that Mr. Benz tried to sell it himself and if he still has it, you may have to plan on holding onto it for the short or long term. It's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and if it takes you 6 months to a year to sell it, is it worth tying up that capital?
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Posted Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:15am
Subject: Re: WMF Bistro Superautomatic Cappuccino/Espresso Commercial Machine
 

Nope based off all the info here, i am declining the barter offer.  I truely appreciate all the posts. I talked to Mike (a tech) in Riverside as well.  Th is site is pretty nice. Lots of info and pleasent people to talk to. Thank you all again.
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Posted Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:07am
Subject: Re: WMF Bistro Superautomatic Cappuccino/Espresso Commercial Machine
 

cappuccinoboy Said:

It seems to me that you are thinking of putting this machine in use in your house, apart from any other considerations, WOULD you buy a bus when all you need is a city car or even a full size one ?? just because buying price looks attractive ???
Superauto is a good option for convenience;  for quality you need to use same care as with traditional machines when it comes to grinder adjusting, since no superauto is yet intelligent to adjust itself, still a good superauto, if propelry set, is capable of brewing top espresso, no matter what geeks, who probably never used a good superauto, say
Ciao, Pietro

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pietro.... different points of view  ...depending on what one wants and where they place their values

caio!

 
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Posted Sat Jun 30, 2012, 6:26am
Subject: Re: WMF Bistro Superautomatic Cappuccino/Espresso Commercial Machine
 

WMF . . . as in Why, Mother F*****, would you want a superautomatic?

Hmmmmm . . . . .

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