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scanfield
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Posted Thu Aug 16, 2012, 4:21pm
Subject: Re: Cuadra II vs. Silvano
 

JtothaR Said:

Sprites are one of two things and two things only: - grind is too coarse  - Beans are stale

Posted August 16, 2012 link

There are a lot more factors than that. Pressure settings, distribution, tamp quality, tamper profile, excessive vibration, and so on. Basically anything that can lead to cracking and channeling means messy sprites.
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Posted Thu Aug 16, 2012, 9:03pm
Subject: Re: Cuadra II vs. Silvano
 

scanfield Said:

There are a lot more factors than that. Pressure settings, distribution, tamp quality, tamper profile, excessive vibration, and so on. Basically anything that can lead to cracking and channeling means messy sprites.

Posted August 16, 2012 link

The stuff you describe is the basics of every basket prep. If you don't have those down then neither I or anyone else can help.
Oh, and you forgot excessive dose touching the screen and cracking the puck. But I wasn't going to list every possible item since they are a given of espresso preparation. Kinda like me telling you "Maybe your car doesn't run right cause the timing is off" and you replying that maybe there is no engine at all and that's why it doesn't run, lol

 
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Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 9:54am
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EricBNC Said:

Does your Costo roast on site? If not find decent fresh roasted beans. Next, try re-calibrating your Vario if you haven't tried already. Maybe your gauge is off a little - adjust to 8.5 bar when pulling the shot. Try only one thing at a time though - and start with fresh beans first.

Posted August 16, 2012 link

Not sure if they roast them on site and there's no roast date on the bag.  These beans are very oily.

I already calibrated my Vario and that seem to stop the spritzing.  I'll try dropping the pressure down to 8.5 bar and getting a new bag of beans from a local roaster and see how that works out.
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Raizon
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Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 9:58am
Subject: Re: Cuadra II vs. Silvano
 

scanfield Said:

There are a lot more factors than that. Pressure settings, distribution, tamp quality, tamper profile, excessive vibration, and so on. Basically anything that can lead to cracking and channeling means messy sprites.

Posted August 16, 2012 link

JtothaR Said:

The stuff you describe is the basics of every basket prep. If you don't have those down then neither I or anyone else can help.
Oh, and you forgot excessive dose touching the screen and cracking the puck. But I wasn't going to list every possible item since they are a given of espresso preparation. Kinda like me telling you "Maybe your car doesn't run right cause the timing is off" and you replying that maybe there is no engine at all and that's why it doesn't run, lol

Posted August 16, 2012 link

I appreciate all your feedback.  There's definitely a huge learning curve and I hope I can get there some day.

It would be nice if I can find someone experience in Seattle to come pull a good shot with my setup.
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Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 10:45am
Subject: Re: Cuadra II vs. Silvano
 

Raizon Said:

Not sure if they roast them on site and there's no roast date on the bag.  These beans are very oily.

I already calibrated my Vario and that seem to stop the spritzing.  I'll try dropping the pressure down to 8.5 bar and getting a new bag of beans from a local roaster and see how that works out.

Posted August 17, 2012 link

Try grinding as fine as you can, choke the machine etc, and then back off from there and keep adjusting. That is the one negative, dialing in and wasting beans initially. But with the Vario and Preciso generally once you have a set range you can stay there and make adjustments here and there. Like I've found my Preciso to be good for espresso on 6 and adjust the micro here and there depending on bean type, age etc.

Costco carries a brand from down here I just ordered from, Cafe Don Pablo, but not sure how fresh they are in store. I think they mentioned something awhile back about not letting their beans go past 2-3 weeks there. But either way, you could order online from them, 2lbs fresh roasted to oder for about 20 bucks or less, can't beat that. I using their Brazil Santos off a recommendation on here and like it. They do a good amount of volume to places, restaurants whatever especially in FL, so their able to keep their cost down vs others. Just figured you could try that as you'll have 2lbs to play with vs 12oz-1lb from others within the same price when shipping is factored.

Hard to get fresh beans at any grocer type store, even Whole Foods or Fresh Market can't recall, carries Counter Culture whose highly regarded and I've yet to see their beans below 4 weeks of roast date.
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Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 12:14pm
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CMIN Said:

Try grinding as fine as you can, choke the machine etc, and then back off from there and keep adjusting. That is the one negative, dialing in and wasting beans initially. But with the Vario and Preciso generally once you have a set range you can stay there and make adjustments here and there. Like I've found my Preciso to be good for espresso on 6 and adjust the micro here and there depending on bean type, age etc.

Costco carries a brand from down here I just ordered from, Cafe Don Pablo, but not sure how fresh they are in store. I think they mentioned something awhile back about not letting their beans go past 2-3 weeks there. But either way, you could order online from them, 2lbs fresh roasted to oder for about 20 bucks or less, can't beat that. I using their Brazil Santos off a recommendation on here and like it. They do a good amount of volume to places, restaurants whatever especially in FL, so their able to keep their cost down vs others. Just figured you could try that as you'll have 2lbs to play with vs 12oz-1lb from others within the same price when shipping is factored.

Hard to get fresh beans at any grocer type store, even Whole Foods or Fresh Market can't recall, carries Counter Culture whose highly regarded and I've yet to see their beans below 4 weeks of roast date.

Posted August 17, 2012 link

Thanks for the tip.  I'll try to choke the machine tonight and work my way down.
I wasted a lot of beans already so at this point I'm willing to try anything.
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Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 12:33pm
Subject: Re: Cuadra II vs. Silvano
 

Raizon Said:

Thanks for the tip.  I'll try to choke the machine tonight and work my way down.
I wasted a lot of beans already so at this point I'm willing to try anything.

Posted August 17, 2012 link

Yeh and if you have a hard time doing so, pry need to calibrate the machine which Baratza has instructions on their site how to do. When your using stale or less than fresh beans the problem is their "dialed" in settings are completely different then fresh beans (been there done that lol). So even if you can get them dialed, you'll end up getting some fresh beans and having to start over again lol.

I mentioned Cafe Don Pablo b/c you can get 2lbs fresh roasted and shipped for 20 bucks or less, so that way you have some flexibility to dial in vs keep buying other expensive beans. Unless you have a roaster close by that's reasonable to just pickup from. I.E. for 20 bucks I get 2lbs shipped vs paying 17-20++ shipped for 1lb from others. But with 2lbs or more your going to need some good storage, I use the Ball pint size jars that are freezer safe, their air tight.

Fresh beans, like other said also try WDT to distribute (I just use a needle and cut a little yogurt plastic can to fit the PF and grind with into it), and make sure your tamping evenly.
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Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 12:39pm
Subject: Re: Cuadra II vs. Silvano
 

I think your problem is very likely the beans.  See if you can find some FRESH beans (roasted within the past 2 weeks and properly stored since then) somewhere...you're in Seattle of all places, so you shouldn't have any difficulty there at all.  That should make it relatively easy for you to find a good barista who'd be willing to come by your house for an hour or two in exchange for food, alcohol or money.  Try Vivace or Lladro (those are the only two places I know in Seattle, and both of them carry high quality freshly roasted beans for sale), or check out the regional threads for places to go, if you don't know any.

As for grind.  you're on the right track...choke the machine - then back off until it's where you want it.

Last comment...highly recommended reading...www.espressomyespresso.com - article 12 under the "how to" section (about midway down on the right side)...[easy guide to better espresso]

 
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Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 2:01pm
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What temp do you have the Silvano at? If you are using Italian style roasts you are going to need to be like 198 or below.

 
Less water, more grounds.
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Posted Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:08am
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I'm set my Silvano to 200.

I got some new beans and now my shots are coming out a lot better (no spritzing) and tastes a lot better than before.

The only problem I'm having now is not getting a double shot.  I use about 15g of coffee on my double.
When I pull my shot, it will start dripping in about 5 seconds and will continue to "tiger stripe" to about 23 seconds and that's when I start blonding so I stop around 25 seconds.  But when I measure the shot, it only gave me a little more than an ounce but no where close to 2 ounces.

Do I need to grind more coarse?  Any suggestions?
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