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espressoaddict
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Posted Wed Oct 28, 2009, 12:09am
Subject: Re: Ascaso Steel UNO Professional Espresso Machine Versus Rancilio Sylvia 2009
 

I got a couple more days to decide. So far, it seems the Sylvia is the one to get in my price range.  Not exceeding the $600.00 budget, this is the only one that seems to be the most attractive out there.  Parts are widely available and support is endless.  It's ready to perform out-of-the-box - of course with some practice and tuning.  The only major complaint, I've seen is temp stability and consistency.  This is even with a PID attached.  The intra-temp between shots will overshoot w/o the PID knowing.  As some have mentioned this is when the boiler re-cycles back to optimal temp it will at times cause the group head to overshoot for the next shot, thus requiring a cooling flush.  This was found in one test after waiting 2 - 3 minutes before pulling the next shot.  I'll start a separate thread on this topic.

Thanks all for your help. I'll make sure to let you know once I hit the buy button, unless some thing better comes along prior to Friday.
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Posted Wed Oct 28, 2009, 4:56am
Subject: Re: Ascaso Steel UNO Professional Espresso Machine Versus Rancilio Sylvia 2009
 

Hey all,

This has been a great discussion to follow, so I will throw my $0.02 into the ring.  Here is my advice.  Put your $600.00 in an envelope somewhere and start aggressively saving the rest of your pennies until you can get a HX machine.  I have a Gaggia Coffee Deluxe myself and love it.  I don't have a PID on mine though.  I really can't imagine a Sylvia being much of an upgrade to the Gaggia you already have especially since you have a PID.  From what you have posted, it sound like your Gaggia still works, so I would hold on to it until I could make a significant upgrade on my machine.  If you could put aside $100.00 a month, then by March or April of next year you could have yourself a really nice upgrade.

Again, just my $0.02

Derrick
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Posted Wed Oct 28, 2009, 10:21am
Subject: Re: Ascaso Steel UNO Professional Espresso Machine Versus Rancilio Sylvia 2009
 

espressoaddict Said:

Any reason you bought a Watlow PID other than it is the one to buy because of it's great reputation?  The Auber PID is cheaper.

By the way, thanks for the offer, but I will probably buy new as it is easier to justify purchases with the Wife.

Posted October 27, 2009 link

Jim (MLG PIDKITS) was right here, other members attested to his selection of quality in Watlow (vs. Fuji,etc.) as well as his service after sale, and ease to install (indeed it was VERY easy) as Jim had done all the hard stuff for you. The Watlow SD3, at least mine, also had the steam function PID'd as well, which IIRC, Auber did not have at that time.




espressoaddict Said:

I got a couple more days to decide. So far, it seems the Sylvia is the one to get in my price range.  Not exceeding the $600.00 budget, this is the only one that seems to be the most attractive out there.  Parts are widely available and support is endless.  It's ready to perform out-of-the-box - of course with some practice and tuning.  The only major complaint, I've seen is temp stability and consistency.  This is even with a PID attached.  The intra-temp between shots will overshoot w/o the PID knowing.  As some have mentioned this is when the boiler re-cycles back to optimal temp it will at times cause the group head to overshoot for the next shot, thus requiring a cooling flush.  This was found in one test after waiting 2 - 3 minutes before pulling the next shot.  I'll start a separate thread on this topic.

Thanks all for your help. I'll make sure to let you know once I hit the buy button, unless some thing better comes along prior to Friday.

Posted October 28, 2009 link

The supposed 'cooling flush' is trivial...one tends to dump a half ounce of water or more to warm a cup up anyway, or flush a bit to clean the shower screen before wiping with your towel, between shots.  Temp stability and consistency improve dramatically with a PID on her, period.  If you indeed start a new thread on this topic (needed?), ensure that those that respond have personal experience pulling shots on a stock, as well as PID'd Silvia, lest you be swayed by subjective opinion over personal experience. Jim likely has enough temperature data to do a two-day Silvia Temperature symposium all by his lonesome, despite the obvious fact he sells PID kits for a meager profit. His motivation is most likely passion, not profit. :)
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Posted Wed Oct 28, 2009, 3:30pm
Subject: Re: Ascaso Steel UNO Professional Espresso Machine Versus Rancilio Sylvia 2009
 

Your decision process on the Silvia is like so many before you. I think this is one reason you see little competition from other manufacturers. The legacy is more than the machine itself. I hope to look for your comparison of the Gaggia and Silvia after a few months to get familiar.  

As another noted, I'm not sure why the rush to decide either. You have a functional machine. Take your time to weigh all of your options. It sounds like you are handy enough to take on a used machine as well, to get more for your money.
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Posted Wed Oct 28, 2009, 3:56pm
Subject: Re: Ascaso Steel UNO Professional Espresso Machine Versus Rancilio Sylvia 2009
 

Derrick Said:

Hey all,

This has been a great discussion to follow, so I will throw my $0.02 into the ring.  Here is my advice.  Put your $600.00 in an envelope somewhere and start aggressively saving the rest of your pennies until you can get a HX machine.  I have a Gaggia Coffee Deluxe myself and love it.  I don't have a PID on mine though.  I really can't imagine a Sylvia being much of an upgrade to the Gaggia you already have especially since you have a PID.  From what you have posted, it sound like your Gaggia still works, so I would hold on to it until I could make a significant upgrade on my machine.  If you could put aside $100.00 a month, then by March or April of next year you could have yourself a really nice upgrade.

Again, just my $0.02

Derrick

Posted October 28, 2009 link

I appreciate the full logic in your concern and you are VERY right.  My reply below applies to you, as well.

Frost Said:

Your decision process on the Silvia is like so many before you. I think this is one reason you see little competition from other manufacturers. The legacy is more than the machine itself. I hope to look for your comparison of the Gaggia and Silvia after a few months to get familiar.  

As another noted, I'm not sure why the rush to decide either. You have a functional machine. Take your time to weigh all of your options. It sounds like you are handy enough to take on a used machine as well, to get more for your money.

Posted October 28, 2009 link

You are probably right.  I cleaned the boiler thoroughly that includes using a Dremel tool with wire brush, and it's now fairly acceptable for a few shots to get me through the week.  I'm monitoring the water if any non-coffee sediments exists -- none so far.  It's very clean.

I realize the Sylvia may improve my steaming ability, but probably not so much with the Espresso making.

I haven't finalized my decision yet, as you guys are right, but I have a great deal on a new Oscar HX priced for about $900.00 Yeah, $100.00 more and I got my self an E61 from Berezza (I hope I spelled that correctly).  

Edited:
Should I go for it? Found an existing thread on this topic vs Sylvia and Oscar. Let me read that first. link  
I haven't done my home work (in progress) yet, but only concern now is PIDing this machine or is it not needed?
Now my Rancilio Rocky is probably under-kill now.  Not sure what will happen with this combination?
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Posted Sun Jul 8, 2012, 6:23am
Subject: Re: Ascaso Steel UNO Professional Espresso Machine Versus Rancilio Sylvia 2009
 

It's been some time since you went through this decision -- I'd love to hear where you came out, and whether you're happy with the choice? How much did you spend/ which maker did you go for?
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