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AlexEssex
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Posted Sun Jul 15, 2012, 6:01am
Subject: Help with buying an espresso machine in the UK that produces good steam.
 

Hi All,

I am upgrading my Delonghi EC710 espresso machine soon, but I am kicking myself as I cannot make my mind up which machine to go for.

My requirements:

Must produce good espresso.
Must produce constant steam (for foaming milk for mocha and hot choc).
Be no more than 300-350
Be available to buy in the UK.

I am even considering a lever arm manual machine such as the La Pavoni Europicola, this seems to be within my price range, apears to have a good flow of steam and steam wand.

My other considerations were the semi-automatic La Pavoni Paccino or Ascaso Arc (as I cannot afford the Ascaso Dream).

I want something that will compliment my Black powder coated Ascaso i2 mini.

Can anyone share any thoughts on this, thank you very much for all your help.

Alex
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Posted Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:06pm
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Alex,
a lever is not for everyone, and as a former owner of a La Pavoni (which I liked) the steaming is not it's greatest asset, due to the tight squeeze between the body and steam arm, and the overheating that takes place after several shots.
Perhaps look for a used NS Oscar. True, it won't be a match for your grinder (which you WILL eventually upgrade!!) but IMO the Oscar iOS superior to any of the machines you mentioned, and won't need to be upgraded for quite a while, if at all.

 
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Posted Sun Jul 15, 2012, 1:54pm
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Hi.

Thank you very much for the reply. I am grateful for your honest opinion as a previous La Pavoni user and owner.

Your recommended machine does indeed look nice, it appears to be sized similar to pro 1 group machine with a domestic look to it. The steam wand looks like one find on a commercial machine.

However, these machines are clearly marketed in the US and there does not appear to be many of the machines second hand here in the UK. Hence while considering Pavoni or Ascaso which seems to have a large presence in the UK aswell as Gaggia and Fracino.

Would they have an European market perhaps or similar brand or product?

Thank you.

Alex
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Posted Sun Jul 15, 2012, 2:52pm
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I think you're in a bit of a gap pricewise, between the top end of the basic domestic machines, but quite a bit below any of the "prosumer" (sorry, I know it's a horrible word) machines.  

There aren't that many used ones on that well known auction site either, but this might at least be worth a look.  The Gaggia frothing device has apparently been replaced, plus a couple of other minor mods, and it is cheap at the BIN price.  

It gets marked down on user rewiews on here for poor frothing, but perhaps replacing the panarello device might have done the trick.  The seller is offering a demo and you probably aint that far away ?

Just a thought anyway.

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Posted Sun Jul 15, 2012, 3:08pm
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BTW - they aren't very common, but you can get the Oscar in the UK - it's on Amazon for one place.

Quite a bit above your top budget though.

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Posted Sun Jul 15, 2012, 5:18pm
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Posted July 15, 2012 link

That looks like a nice machine for the price.  He already made a bunch of upgrades that will make it easier to use.

The only thing I would do to it is replace the steam thermostat with a higher temp one, this will help to give you better steam.

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Posted Mon Jul 16, 2012, 3:32am
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Posted Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:00am
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Hi All,

Sadly someone bidded on the Classic before I had a chance to even look at the posting.

I am pretty tempted to purchase the Classic and add the steam wand upgrade myself. Ebay sells the wand upgrade cheaper than happy donkey, so may go that route.

If I see the Rancilio Silvia on ebay I think I will bite their hands off too. If I can get a silvia for under 300 secondhand then I will be very happy.

So, the Rancilio first and if all fails the Gaggia second (with the upgrade).

Thanks.

Alex
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Posted Thu Aug 9, 2012, 5:23pm
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Your ID name suggests that you live within easy reach of London. Why don't you visit The Coffee Machine on Kings Road? The people there are very knowledgeable and friendly. Moreover they will let you play with all their machines and I think there are some that are in your price range.
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