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D4F
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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2012, 9:03pm
Subject: Re: PID vs Surfing
 

You rang!  Ha Ha

Are you putting it inside, cutting a hole in the front?

 
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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2012, 9:52pm
Subject: Re: PID vs Surfing
 

I am a little late to this party, but as I have said before:

-Just 'using' Silvia is like standing on the tracks, blindfold in
place, waiting for the train.

-Time surfing (light on, wait 45 seconds, pull shot) is like standing
on the tracks, running a stopwatch, and stepping off the tracks to see
if the train is there, and hoping you got the timing correct.

-Temp surfing with the digital readout was like trying to jump on a
train as it ran through the station at speed.

-PID is a leisurely boarding onto a stopped train with champagne
served at the door by a very gracious porter..

 
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Posted Mon Sep 17, 2012, 6:49am
Subject: Re: PID vs Surfing
 

So, staying with the transportation simile using a DB or HX machine is like getting a first class seat on a private jet.

Anyway, sorry for taking a while to get back, I was offline since Thursday afternoon.

Using the PID makes that machine much easier to use. The pre infusion I was referring to was one of my own design and I have not found the need to add it. In truth, I do not use that machine much, as I have removed it from work and it follows me on vacation only anymore.

The PID kit is very easy and either mounting under between the GH and the steam wand or cutting a hole in the case is easy to do, cutting the hole is a bit more involved though and the under mount option allows for removal of the kit with no alteration of the machine. I don't know why you would want to remove it, even for sale but there you go, it is an option anyway.

 
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Posted Mon Sep 17, 2012, 6:56am
Subject: Re: PID vs Surfing
 

I chickened out for now.....no cutting.
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Posted Mon Sep 17, 2012, 7:11am
Subject: Re: PID vs Surfing
 

That's fine, I have no issues with the under mount of the PID either from access to anything or with water. It really is a dry spot though it is surrounded by water!

 
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D4F
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Posted Mon Sep 17, 2012, 8:56pm
Subject: Re: PID vs Surfing
 

frcn Said:

PID is a leisurely boarding onto a stopped train with champagne
served at the door by a very gracious porter..

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Did you get on the train, got PID?

 
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Posted Mon Sep 17, 2012, 9:18pm
Subject: Re: PID vs Surfing
 

D4F Said:

Did you get on the train, got PID?

Posted September 17, 2012 link

Me?

 
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D4F
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Posted Mon Sep 17, 2012, 9:24pm
Subject: Re: PID vs Surfing
 

No, sorry to be unclear.  I was very clear from reading your post and reading your site that you rode that train a few years ago.  I thought Burd would be on board, or posting, today.

 
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Posted Mon Sep 17, 2012, 9:55pm
Subject: Re: PID vs Surfing
 

The train is in the station but I'm still on the ramp.  I went from holy cow I could never cut my case to, I envy those that did it is so nice looking.  The plot thickens.  I found a machinist to cut my case since I don't have the tools or skills.  I have an email into Suyi asking about temp limits on the unit.  I want to make sure it can hold up inside.  I read a story about it's fine inside then when the steam is heating up it shuts off, but don't worry as it cools it works again.
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Posted Tue Sep 18, 2012, 9:40am
Subject: Re: PID vs Surfing
 

The temperature will be some lower if you insulate, or, you could insulate the PID.  If the PID is in the upper R facing, then you have a box front, top, and L side made by the machine.  Use rigid insulation to make the lower, R and rear walls.  To really cool the PID, you may then need to vent the R case side and top for air flow.  A couple of holes by the machnist could look fine, vent, and cool.

Or install the PID sitting on top and then think about location.  You can always cut the hole later.

 
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