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Coffeenoobie
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Posted Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:44am
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I personally think for most home use dosers are not the best idea, because they hold lots of grinds and most people don't use enough grinds to clear them in a session with out modding them to sweep better and adding timers.  Grinds go stale in as little as 15 minutes so you can't keep them over night or even a few hours. Many will disagree with me I am sure.  That is one of the good things about the grinder I have, almost no grind retention.  This grinder, Vario W is set up with home users in mind and it might not last 100 years but my kitchen as it stands now can't hold a commercial grinder.  So, it is the best choice for me right now.  Maybe one day I can remodel and get a big boy grinder but the taste I am getting and the ease and inconstantancy of the grind and amount is worth it to me.

 
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Posted Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:22am
Subject: Re: Where is Miss Silvia?!
 

I think that bang for the buck grinder for Gaggia is the Baratza Preciso.  Vario, Vario W, is great but more money.  I could have a little bias as that is my set up, but I got the Preciso after reading here on CG.  I started looking at MDF, then Rocky, and kept getting pointed to Preciso.

 
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Posted Tue Sep 18, 2012, 12:51pm
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The doser issue makes sense, as it stands I grind exactly as much as I need at the mo and keep the rest air tight, freshness is everything!
I did just find the Preciso, looks like a near little package at a decent price.
Seems I'm finally getting somewhere! :)
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Posted Tue Sep 18, 2012, 1:33pm
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The benefits of a good doser is that they break up any clumping and allow dosing at a rate you choose. That allows you to move the portafilter around to get good distribution. During times when you are serving numerous beverages it allows the grinder to run while you deal with other tasks.

Now, if there was a large conical grinder that had a good grind rate and near-zero retention and left enough room to move the portafilter around to get good distribution I might be tempted.

 
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Posted Tue Sep 18, 2012, 3:13pm
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My Vario W doesn't give me clumps and it doses by weight rather than volume so I believe it to be more accurate.  I do stir it before tamping just to make sure it is even in the basket.  I probably don't need to do it that... but I do.  And it can dose out the weight while you deal with other tasks.   I believe it is a good set up for most home users and adds to my shot constancy.  Dosers have their uses but I think unless modded and you time grind they are not valuable to most home users that just make 1-2 drinks at a go.  To quote Cal "YMMV". (your mileage may vary)

 
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Posted Tue Sep 18, 2012, 3:35pm
Subject: Re: Where is Miss Silvia?!
 

The Preciso also has little clumping and little static.  Also low retention in the grinder.  For me the doser issue is about how you use it.  Doserless and SBDU work well together in a low volume setting.

 
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Posted Tue Sep 18, 2012, 4:21pm
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If you want a great "All around" grinder which can grind anything from press pot straight through to turkish, is easy to use and clean, the Baratza Vario or Vario-W is
a really good grinder. The Baratza Vario/Vario-W grinders can also be used as all around grinders as well in case you want to grind some drip coffee.

I own a Rancilio Rocky Doserless, it is solid, heavy tank of a grinder. I feel like I could grind beans all day with this machine. It grinds fine enough for espresso, but the
stepped settings on it make it difficult to dial in a shot by grind setting. I have to "Fine Tune" the shot with dosage and not with grind, once I'm near the right setting. This
isn't ideal because dosage can affect the taste of the coffee. On the other hand, It is easy to clean and doesn't retain a lot of grinds at all. I just have to take what I can get.

Many of the coffee geek members here will tell you that there are other grinders on the market which are considerably better. I would certainly agree. However, a used
Rocky can be a good deal as long as you are willing to put up with adjusting dose. they're not that bad to use. If you're not that fussy, have at 'er.

I do find myself personally with a bad case of upgradeitis and want to consider replacing my Rocky with a Vario-W, even though I've only had it for two months so far.
I got my Rocky and Silvia together as a set for a good deal.. usually you can always buy machine and grinder together for a better deal than just one by itself.

Good luck! :-)

 
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Posted Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:54pm
Subject: Re: Where is Miss Silvia?!
 

qualin Said:

... I own a Rancilio Rocky Doserless, it is solid, heavy tank of a grinder. I feel like I could grind beans all day with this machine. It grinds fine enough for espresso, but the stepped settings on it make it difficult to dial in a shot by grind setting. I have to "Fine Tune" the shot with dosage and not with grind, once I'm near the right setting. This isn't ideal because dosage can affect the taste of the coffee ...

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That's a common problem with the Rocky. Therefore the Baratza Preciso with its 440 settings would be a much better choice.

 
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Posted Wed Sep 19, 2012, 4:06am
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Thanks again guys, I think I may have made my decisions then, just need to wait to finish accumulating the funds!
Gaggia Classic and a Baratza Preciso feel like the right choice as my first machines. :)
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NobbyR
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Posted Wed Sep 19, 2012, 5:04am
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I must admit that I don't really know those online dealers, but you could get the Bratza Preciso for 261.50 at A1 Coffee and the Gaggia Classic for 199.00 at Coffee Italia, so both together would be below your overall budget of 550.

 
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