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Posted Sat Sep 22, 2012, 11:13pm
Subject: Nuova Simonelli MAC Information and questions
 

Found an ad in Kijiji:

Clicky Clicky
(I'm not trying to sell this machine, I'm just curious about it and need more information. I have nothing to do with this seller. I'm going to
apologize in advance if it seems like I'm contravening board policies on this matter.)

Something about this is raising a red flag. I don't know what it is, but I can't tell if this machine was used commercially or not. It "looks" like
it is very clean and in good shape, the grinder maybe not so much. The seller wants $2k for the set, says they paid double that when they bought it.
Doesn't make any sense why they'd spend that much on a machine then not use it, unless they bought it at an auction or foreclosure.

I don't think that they're worth more than $1k judging from what I've seen in other ads of other machines of similar type. I'm just curious to think of
what the community thinks of this...

When did Nuova Simonelli make the MAC? I'd like to obtain more information about these machines. I see that a brand new Appia is about $4k, but I
noticed they don't sell the MAC anymore. I noticed the grinder is missing the lid for the doser, but I don't know if this is a sign or not. I'm sure a new lid could be easily found.

Can anyone garner any clues from the pictures in the ads? I need some advice here. I'm in no rush to buy, I'm still saving my pennies but wondered
if these machines are worth considering. I've noticed quite a few of these machines on the market in other cities in Alberta, so I'm kind of curious..
What are these machines usually worth on the used market?

Can you put machines like this on a heavy-duty appliance timer?

Were the MAC machines 110v 15a machines? Or did they make a 20a or 220v model?

There are another two MAC machines listed for sale in Edmonton, which is about a 2.75 hr drive away, one automatic one semi-automatic, they're considerably
cheaper than what this guy wants this set for.

One last thing.. If I do decide to run with it, what are the things I should be looking for?

Thanks everyone.

 
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Posted Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:12am
Subject: Re: Nuova Simonelli MAC Information and questions
 

I see lots of ads on craigslist where they state they bought a machine for a business venture and did not use it or they used it for a year or two and closed up shop.   There are 2 or 3 on craigslist right now in the PNW.  There is a nice coffee cart with a grinder and pump and washing stations for about the price of the machine and grinder.  It is all I can do not to buy that.

 
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Posted Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:26am
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From an ad I just saw

"Complete descaled espresso machine for sell and other equipment as well.  Buying all these stuff for my wife to start coffee business but, never happen. Need to sell it soon."

 
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Posted Sun Sep 23, 2012, 3:21pm
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I'm also curious. I've got the opportunity to possibly upgrade from my Oscar to a Mac 2000v. Does anyone know if it's worth it, or should I just stick with Oscar?
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Posted Sun Sep 23, 2012, 3:38pm
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It is probably more powerful than Oscar.  But didn't you just get the Oscar?

 
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Posted Mon Sep 24, 2012, 6:05am
Subject: Re: Nuova Simonelli MAC Information and questions
 

Quick comment.
I paid $25,000 for my ten year old car, ten years ago.  I want $12,500 for it because that is half of what I paid.

The price of a thing is what it is, the MDX is a nice grinder, new it is well in the SJ zone but used, they are less popular and in EXCELENT shape, $500 is a LOT, I would put it at about $250.

The MAC is an out of production (as far as I can find but I could be wrong) and it is fairly old regardless of how it looks. I would expect to see it in a restaurant supply house, used, with warranty, for about $1500 but from a private party, and no warranty, my PERSONAL feeling is half of that would be a good deal for the buyer, say $750.

So, $750 and $250 from a pvt party seller would be fair, a $1K bill for the pair, would be a do not walk by deal, provided the inside is as nice as the outside.

YMMV!

OH, Kelvan, it all depends on what you paid for the Oscar and what the MAC is selling for. YES it is an upgrade, bigger boiler, volumetric dosing etc. Is it worth it to you? Well, only you can answer that and how much is the machine you are looking at?

 
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Posted Mon Sep 24, 2012, 8:57pm
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calblacksmith Said:

I paid $25,000 for my ten year old car, ten years ago.  I want $12,500 for it because that is half of what I paid.

Posted September 24, 2012 link

Pretty much. Something like clicking in the back of my brain telling me not to buy. The seller sent me a few pictures of the serial number tag.

Manufacture date is 12/19/1996, which places it at being 16 years old. They claim that it was only used for six months before they closed
their cafe and it sat in their basement for several years. It almost sounds too good to be true.

It is a Mag Digit, single group, 120 volts, 1500 watts. The grinder is an MDU. Fortunately, new burrs for it are roughly $60 and I bet I could find a lid for the doser easily enough.
I'm not sure what the difference is between an MDU and an MDX, but I'm guessing the machine and grinder are about the same vintage.

calblacksmith Said:

So, $750 and $250 from a pvt party seller would be fair, a $1K bill for the pair, would be a do not walk by deal, provided the inside is as nice as the outside.

Posted September 24, 2012 link

... and that's the kicker. If this machine has been sitting unused for the better part of a decade, who knows what kind of shape it is in on the inside.

Maybe I should just keep saving my pennies.... It is a little tempting though.

 
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Posted Mon Sep 24, 2012, 9:37pm
Subject: Re: Nuova Simonelli MAC Information and questions
 

I found that the MAC will just BARELY fit on my kitchen counter. Width and height wise, it is OK, but depth wise I'm left with two inches from the edge of the counter.

I don't think I'll pull the trigger on this... Thanks for all of your input everyone.

 
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Posted Tue Sep 25, 2012, 7:16am
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Two inches in front of the machine would not be a big deal for me, YMMV.

I think you made the sound choice, if it has been sitting for 15 years, who knows what evil lurks in the connections, wires, tubing, valves etc. It is VERY likely you will need repair of something, perhaps a lot inside the machine.

If you are handy AND it was under $500, it may be a good deal, but..... that isn't what is offered.

 
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