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Jjprestidge
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Posted Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:58am
Subject: Looking to buy our first commercial machine - advice needed
 

I'm looking for a two group commercial machine for a small coffeeshop venture (an old chestnut, I know, but hear me out!)

As we will be sitting towards the quality end of the spectrum, I really want something with good thermal stabillity and the ability easily to change temperature to suit the espresso. The problem is that I don't have the capital to be able to splash out on an LM with PID, at least not initially.

I have been looking at the triple boiler Expobar G10, which seems to have most of the features we want, but is within budget. I've heard a few good things about this machine, but it's not that well known generally.

Can anyone give me any advice on this. I already have some decent Mazzer grinders, so that side of things us sorted.

Any advice greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

JP
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Posted Tue Oct 9, 2012, 3:15pm
Subject: Re: Looking to buy our first commercial machine - advice needed
 

Here in the States, many people have a) truly loved their Expobar Brewtus models of double-boiler prosumer espresso machines; and b) reported problems with Expobar's "lesser" HX models for home use.  

I have never seen a multi-group Expobar machine being used in a café here in the US, nor -- for that matter -- can I recall seeing one in Spain.  They may have been there -- Expobar is Spanish, after all -- it's just that I didn't notice them.  Saw a lot of Cimbalis, though.

Sorry . . .

 
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Jjprestidge
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Posted Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:28am
Subject: Re: Looking to buy our first commercial machine - advice needed
 

Thanks. I have seen a few Expobar machines over here, but they are fairly rare. What are the problems with the consumer HX models?

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JasonBrandtLewis
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Posted Wed Oct 10, 2012, 8:09am
Subject: Re: Looking to buy our first commercial machine - advice needed
 

Poor build quality . . . that's been my personal experience, and others have reported similar experiences.  The Brewtus line, OTOH, is a different story, apparently.

 
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Posted Thu Oct 11, 2012, 8:20pm
Subject: Re: Looking to buy our first commercial machine - advice needed
 

I know nothing about commercial machine.  But my favorite coffe shop use a Mirage.

http://www.keesvanderwesten.com/

Probably expensive but just stunning look.
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Markarian
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Posted Fri Oct 12, 2012, 4:48am
Subject: Re: Looking to buy our first commercial machine - advice needed
 

I think your best bet is to get two old Saeco Rio Vapores and put them next to each other. They can be buddies.

It's really a shame you're not in the States, because I've got a two group CMA Rio Astoria I'm trying to sell.
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Posted Fri Oct 12, 2012, 4:54am
Subject: Re: Looking to buy our first commercial machine - advice needed
 

Bgosselin Said:

I know nothing about commercial machine.  But my favorite coffe shop use a Mirage.

Posted October 11, 2012 link

Ha.  Although I agree.....kees vanderwesten machines are the cadillac of espresso machines.  Think speedster, but on large scale. Big leap from expobar. And $$ to boot.
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Posted Fri Oct 12, 2012, 8:37am
Subject: Needed help to buy a espresso, coffee maker combo!
 

Dear all,

I am brand new to the site and could not figure out how to post a new topic....this is the only place I am able to post something, please pardon me if I am off topic here.

I have no expertise in finding a good machine, I started reading all kinds of reviews.  At the beginning I like Krups but there are plenty of bad reviews for a

KRUPS XP604050 Automatic Pump Espresso Machine with Thermoblock system and Coffee Maker Combination, Die Cast

that I am originally interested in....I am desparate as my husband's birthday is coming closer (he would have been the person I ask for advice as he is a coffee lover but I would be giving it away if I ask him!)

I am looking to spend about $350-$450
coffee maker & espresso maker combo
metallic look as my fridge is stainless steel

Really trying to look for something that last (if I am paying $350-$450) and if things should happen, it is not impossible to obtain replacement parts, good warranty and customer services.

If you have any advice to offer or if you have good experience with certain machines...anything...any advice is much much appreciated!!


Candy
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Posted Fri Oct 12, 2012, 9:18am
Subject: Re: Looking to buy our first commercial machine - advice needed
 

Candy the new topic button is on the upper right corner of the thread text box. at the top of the page
I am on my cell phone so I am not as through as I normally am. Please read the how to buy an. Espresso machine FAQ under the main heading of.      Guides and how to.

 
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Fri Oct 12, 2012, 9:27am
Subject: Re: Needed help to buy a espresso, coffee maker combo!
 

Welcome, Candy, to CoffeeGeek.

The problem you're going to have is that combination machines -- those that claim to produce both espresso and coffee -- generally do neither task very well.  The parts are poorly made and inferior to the parts found in separate machines.  The grinder in particular is an especially weak link in the chain.

Now, that said, no one is suggesting you need to spend $1,000 -- a number commonly bandied about here.  But you might want to consider separate machines.  For example, something like this Bonavita Coffee Maker, and maybe a Gaggia Evolution.

Drawback: you will still need a grinder.

Sorry.

 
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