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emradguy
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Posted Thu Nov 1, 2012, 9:34am
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jwoodyu Said:

Hard as heck to beat for the money. It could be argued that the OE Pharos the best hand grinder for espresso but a great deal more costly.

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The Skerton is a great deal.  Better hand grinders definitely exist, such as the OE Lido, OE Pharos, HG One (currently in the pre-order stage), and the Portaspresso Rosco.  Of course, all of those are much more expensive than the Hario (and much better quality too).  Porlex Grinders are more similar in price and quality to the Hario.  Also, though I mentioned the Skerton, they make a slim model too.  Last thing to mention (from my perspective) regarding the hand grinders is I can only speak from hands-on experience with the Lido.  The rest of my hand grinder knowledge is from reading reviews, engineering threads and comments from experienced users about most of the other grinders.  I did some pretty extensive research into the Pharos and Lido before choosing the Lido, and have read quite a bit about the HG One design...only recently learning of the Rosco (they're located in Australia).

 
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Posted Thu Nov 1, 2012, 9:50am
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khiyasu Said:

Yeah that makes sense. I think it may be a good idea to start with a blade grinder while I save up for the right burr grinder. So you would recommend the Hario Skerton to go with the Oscar for now? I don't mind paying a slight premium for a really good quality blade grinder while waiting for the right price to come up for the burr

Posted November 1, 2012 link

I think you intendex to say manual grinder not blade grinder. They are two very different things. While a good manual grinder can grind for espresso, a blade grinder never will be able to do it, they are way too incostiant for espresso.

If you are pulling a lot of shots a hand grinder might get old in a hurry. As to other brewing methods, I donKt do many anymore though I have the equipment to do so. For "regular" coffee served to guests, I just make americanos and serve them. I have not had any complaints and one setup is all I need for nearly everything at home. YMMV!

 
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Posted Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:06am
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I don't think I'll be making too many espressos to start out with but would like to get a good quality hand grinder that will make me good espressos to start out with. How much more expensive are the OE Lido, etc?
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Posted Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:09am
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Porlex is ~$70
OE Lido is ~$165
OE Pharos is ~$245
Rosco/Rossa combo kit is ~$450 (don't recall individual price for Rosco)
HG One is ~$850
...without shipping

 
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Posted Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:17am
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emradguy Said:

Porlex is ~$70
OE Lido is ~$165
OE Pharos is ~$245
Rosco/Rossa combo kit is ~$450 (don't recall individual price for Rosco)
HG One is ~$850
...without shipping

Posted November 1, 2012 link

Man that HG one is crazy expensive!

I guess the Hario may make most sense as if I were to spend so much on the manual, might as well wait a little more and just get the Vario haha. The HG One does look really cool though.

Just wondering, how is the NS Grinta compared to the Vario?

EDIT: Also, would you recommend getting this? portafilter
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Posted Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:52am
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BTW, my Porlex Tall works OK for espresso (chokes the machine 2 clicks from the finest setting and has some gaps in adjustment, but maybe less so than a Virtuoso) and can be used with an electric drill in place of the handle to produce a ghetto electric grinder ;)  I've used it a few times to grind for decaf espresso, and it travels with me for Aeropress use.
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Posted Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:49am
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khiyasu Said:

Man that HG one is crazy expensive!

I guess the Hario may make most sense as if I were to spend so much on the manual, might as well wait a little more and just get the Vario haha. The HG One does look really cool though.

Posted November 1, 2012 link

yeah, agreed, that was primarily why I recommended the Hario off the bat.

khiyasu Said:

Just wondering, how is the NS Grinta compared to the Vario?

Posted November 1, 2012 link

have neither used one or read much about it...sorry

khiyasu Said:

EDIT: Also, would you recommend getting this? portafilter

Posted November 1, 2012 link

definitely!

 
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