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Posted Sat Nov 10, 2012, 9:54pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread backflush
 

RaymondParker Said:

do you recommend to backflush (without the white pill) every day, week or not at all - is it enough just to wait until the "service" alert comes up and clean as recommended?

Posted November 10, 2012 link

Breville's expert barrista Phil McKnight recommends a daily light backflush with water only plus a backflush using the tablet more often than the machine nags, but I don't remember how often. He wants to prevent the oils from building up in the plumbing and altering the taste. He posted a comment up this tread a ways.

 
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Posted Sun Nov 11, 2012, 1:13am
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After receiving the machine five days ago from Amazon Europe and fifty shots later I commenced today the first back-flush without cleaning pill.
The result in the driptray was impressive. A lot of coffee-residue was cleared from the inner mechanic of the machine. Thanks for the advise!
By the way: The silicone platter shipped with the newest model has no hole anymore and basically seals the portafilter hermetically during backflush.
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Posted Sun Nov 11, 2012, 1:26am
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BubbaDude Said:

He posted a comment up this tread a ways.

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Where do I find "Phil McKnight's" thread/blog?
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Posted Sun Nov 11, 2012, 6:20am
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Phil's username here is mcknightp, so if you use the search function at the top left of the page and searching on that for auther, you can find him and look at all his posts. Or, just read this thread from the beginning, as there's a lot of other very uselul info buried along the way.

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Where do I find "Phil McKnight's" thread/blog?

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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 1:07pm
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JohnLyn Said:

fairly similar to Phil Mcknight's description click here , but I only hold the pressure once.

Posted November 10, 2012 link

I've noticed a nasty sound at the start of the second three second flush when I use this method. I don't like nasty noises - it's like a slipping gear - so I'm not going to use that method any more. I don't get the noise if I do longer flushes instead of the short ones in that video. So maybe two six second flushes is better than four three second ones.

 
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 1:10pm
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BubbaDude Said:

I've noticed a nasty sound at the start of the second three second flush when I use this method. I don't like nasty noises - it's like a slipping gear - so I'm not going to use that method any more. I don't get the noise if I do longer flushes instead of the short ones in that video. So maybe two six second flushes is better than four three second ones.

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I have not done multiple little flushes either. I just do one flush after the wiggle and done. weird noises are bad!
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 1:15pm
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JohnLyn Said:

I have not done multiple little flushes either. I just do one flush after the wiggle and done. weird noises are bad!

Posted November 12, 2012 link

I think there's something about a three second flush that makes the BDB angry. Maybe it leaves the pump half-primed.

 
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 1:53pm
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I spoke to the German service center from "Breville" alias "Gastroback Gesmbh" in Hollenstedt today.
The technician I had on the phone did not advise to "back-flush" without pill.
He thinks that is overkill, as the machine has a build in mechanism cleaning itself rudimentary after each shot.

He recommends:

- soft "Phil's Wiggle" after each use
- to follow the cleaning procedure immediately when the "Clean Me" alert pops up with the cleaning-pill
- even better: unscrew carefully the shower-cap with the torx screwdriver delivered together with the machine. Clean the shower-cap and all reachable parts carefully from any oily or sticky residue. If sticky not with a metal but with a wooden tool. Put it back.
Then run the chemical program.
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 2:02pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

RaymondParker Said:

I spoke to the German service center from "Breville" alias "Gastroback Gesmbh" in Hollenstedt today.
The technician I had on the phone did not advise to "back-flush" without pill.
He thinks that is overkill, as the machine has a build in mechanism cleaning itself rudimentary after each shot.

He recommends:

- soft "Phil's Wiggle" after each use
- to follow the cleaning procedure immediately when the "Clean Me" alert pops up with the cleaning-pill
- even better: unscrew carefully the shower-cap with the torx screwdriver delivered together with the machine. Clean the shower-cap and all reachable parts carefully from any oily or sticky residue. If sticky not with a metal but with a wooden tool. Put it back.
Then run the chemical program.

Posted November 12, 2012 link

That makes sense to me. I pre-flush before every shot with the portafilter off to stabilize the group temp, so any junk around the screen is going to be washed out anyway.

 
"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 3:38pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

RaymondParker Said:

I spoke to the German service center from "Breville" alias "Gastroback Gesmbh" in Hollenstedt today.
The technician I had on the phone did not advise to "back-flush" without pill.
He thinks that is overkill, as the machine has a build in mechanism cleaning itself rudimentary after each shot.

He recommends:

- soft "Phil's Wiggle" after each use
- to follow the cleaning procedure immediately when the "Clean Me" alert pops up with the cleaning-pill
- even better: unscrew carefully the shower-cap with the torx screwdriver delivered together with the machine. Clean the shower-cap and all reachable parts carefully from any oily or sticky residue. If sticky not with a metal but with a wooden tool. Put it back.
Then run the chemical program.

Posted November 12, 2012 link

Interesting! and clear! and you get to speak to an actual technician with actual information which is not the case in Canada. How is the service centre in the US?

If there is a built in mechanism then that makes sense. Did he mention what that mechanism does?
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